Kelly McDaniel is back to tell us about her new book all about “Mother Hunger” after introducing the concept on our podcast in her first interview with us. We discuss “Third Degree Hunger”, and apply it to what we learned last year. We share examples of historical parenting trauma due to behaviorist training, and how we have worked to repair that in our family. She explains the neural pathways of bonding and survival, and how this leads to the betrayal blindness in relational trauma. She explains the difference between authentic hope and pathological hope. Trigger warning for topical content regarding mothers and relational trauma.