"You can't plan grief. You can't plan when or how or what will occur," says Dr. Dan Allender, "But there is something that has to be a decision perhaps made well before. Will I go into these waters or will I remain on the side?" In today's podcast conversation, Dan and Rachael welcome Mary Ellen Owen, Counselor in Colorado Springs and Instructor and Facilitator at the Allender Center. They take a look at the process of moving through grief and moving from our heads to our hearts and bodies.

Mary Ellen shares, "If you're just a theological head exercise, you won't move through grief. And there is another side… there is a lightness that comes. But… only if you do this in an embodied way." Listen as she vulnerably shares some of her personal stories about her practices of grief.