Many-time guest Dr. Andy Bondy returns to the podcast for a fun chat. Our conversation centered around a recent talk he gave which was titled, "Verbal Behavior: Myths and Misconceptions."

What myths and misconceptions are we talking about here? Well, I certainly don't want to spoil the podcast, but we did manage to cover a wide variety of topics, including:

• PECS' Certified Classroom process.
• The conceptual rather than data-based nature of the Verbal Behavior book itself.
• Recall versus recognition.
• Aided versus unaided communication systems.
• Selection versus topography-based communication systems.
• The more subtle aspects of the autoclitic.
• Whether PECS limits improvised communication.
• The topic of Matching-to-sample vs. Tacting in PECS.
• The nature of prompts.
• Constructional aspects of learning.

As many of my chats with Andy have gone, this is a podcast that could've been twice as long. Good news though: we've already scheduled a follow up interview for later on in the summer. If you have questions based on this podcast, perhaps we can feature an "Ask Andy Anything," segment.

Keep an eye on the BOP emails for future announcements.

Andy grounded his points in many empirical studies (and of course the OG text, Verbal Behavior). I've done my best to capture all of them below:

• Kuhn's, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.
• Potter and Brown (1997). A review of studies examining the nature of selection-based and topography-based verbal behavior.
• Tincani (2004). Comparing the Picture Exchange Communication System and Sign Language Training for Children with Autism.
• Tincani et al. (2006). The Picture Exchange Communication System: Effects on Manding and Speech Development for School-Aged Children with Autism.
• Marckel et al. (2006). A preliminary analysis of teaching improvisation with the picture exchange communication system to children with autism.
• Chaabane et al. (2009). The effects of parent-implemented PECS training on improvisation of mands by children with autism.
• Schreibman and Stahmer (2014). A randomized trial comparison of the effects  of verbal and pictorial naturalistic communication strategies on spoken  language for young children with autism.
• See here for Andy's previous appearances on the BOP.

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