April 08, 2025

Neuroception and the Evolution of Human Spirit with Kim Barthel (263)

1 hour 3 minutes

Neuroception helps us sense danger and safety without cognition

In this conversation, Dr. Ann Kelley and Occupational Therapist Kim Barthel explore the conscious evolution of the human spirit, the importance of self-compassion, and the integration of neuroception with therapeutic practices. Through Barthel’s book, ‘Conversations with a Rattlesnake,’ they dive into the significance of sensory integration and attachment in personal development. Using Porges’ “Safe and Sound Protocol”, they touch on how understanding one’s own nervous system and the cues of safety can lead to better emotional regulation and connection with not only oneself, but others. Follow along as they discuss the themes of trauma, healing and the science of connection.

“Self-compassion is part of the evolution.” – Kim Barthel

Time Stamps for Neuroception and the Safe & Sound Protocol with Kim Barthel (263)

05:32 Conversations with a rattlesnake: A journey through trauma

19:57 Understanding sensory integration and attachment

33:35 Understanding neuroception and safety

34:30 The role of sound in safety cues

42:06 The mechanism of the safe and sound protocol

55:17 The process of connection and regulation

About our Guest – Kim Barthel, OTR

Kim Barthel is an occupational therapist, speaker, multi-disciplinary teacher, mentor and best-selling author who is active in supporting people in many contexts globally. She is passionate about understanding complex behavior, neurobiology, trauma-sensitive practice, sensory processing, attachment, and mental health. An advanced NDT (Neuro-Developmental Treatment) instructor, Kim has 40+ years of practice in helping people to be their best selves. She is a contributor to a number of textbooks on Pediatric Occupational Therapy, NDT, and Trauma, and in 2019 Kim was honored to receive the Award of Merit from the Canadian Association of Occupational Therapy. Kim’s overall mission is to support the conscious evolution of the human spirit.

Resources for Neuroception and the Safe & Sound Protocol with Kim Barthel (263)

Conversations with a Rattlesnake: Raw and Honest Reflections on Healing and Trauma – Book by Kim Barthel and Theo Fleury

Kim’s website – Resources and information

@kimbarthelotr – Kim’s Instagram

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