What if the goal of the Christian life isn't to escape this world — but to welcome the next one into it? N.T. Wright, one of the world's foremost New Testament scholars and author of 87 books, joins Andrew Osenga on The Pivot for a conversation as warm and wide-ranging as it is theologically rich. Tom traces the arc of a life shaped by choir stalls in northeast England, Scripture Union camps in the Scottish Highlands, and a decades-long love affair with the Bible that has never stopped surprising him. He unpacks the central argument of his new book, God's Homecoming — that Christianity was never about souls escaping to heaven, but about heaven coming down to earth. Along the way, he reflects on what it means to hold your convictions with both conviction and humility, why personal transformation and theological understanding are more connected than we think.

Thought-Provoking Quotes: 

"Most people today imagine that the point of Christianity is to go to heaven when you die. They are all wrong. The point of Christianity is not that we should go to heaven. The point of Christianity is that heaven should come to us." - N.T. Wright 

"That's always been a sign for me that Christian maturity has, as one of its markers, the moment when texts you couldn't figure out before suddenly make sense — and you realize there's probably a lot more out there still waiting for us to grow into." - N.T. Wright

"I think I'm a writer who happens to be in love with the Bible and theology." - N.T. Wright

"But so I grew up in that atmosphere and the mantra really was, I will disagree like anything with you, but I will defend to the death your right to say what you say and to see the stuff like you see it." - N.T. Wright

"You can't rush things as a theologian. You're working on a problem — and then gradually, gradually, you come around a corner, see things from a different light." - N.T. Wright

Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned:

“God's Homecoming” — N.T. Wright

“Surprised by Hope” — N.T. Wright

“The Meaning of Jesus: Two Visions” — N.T. Wright & Marcus Borg

“Spellbound” — Molly Worthen

“Democracy and Solidarity” — James Davison Hunter

“Jesus and John Wayne” — Kristin Kobes Du Mez

“The Samurai” — Shusaku Endo

"Genesis" (Yesterday parody) — N.T. & Francis Collins

Ask N.T. Wright Anything — N.T. Wright's podcast

Biologos

Lanier Theological Library

Yarntan Manor — theological library outside Oxford

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Guest’s Links: 

N.T. Wright’s website

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God’s Homecoming by N.T. Wright

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