Will Wisner is an experienced Executive Director with an extensive history of working in the non-profit organization management industry. He is the head of the Grunt Style Foundation, a national nonprofit organization committed to providing life changing resources and experiences for service members, Veterans, and their families.

John Launius is a seasoned executive with a diverse background in government, education, technology, media, marketing, and health and wellness. He is the head of Shihan Consultants, a business focused around building and nurturing leadership, characterizing the name of the business, meaning, "Leader of Leaders."

In this episode of the VCP we talk about the absolute power of smell, particularly with incense, the devastating effects of SSRIs on its users including the path that a veteran can stumble down that can ultimately lead toward suicide, and why the government has been slow to attempt these alternative styles when trying to treat people with these moral and physical challenges.

Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
6:22 - Kodo: The Way Of Incense
22:53 - SSRIs are "Zombie dope"
28:10 - What leads someone to su*cide?
37:35 - What is being done to push back against SSRIs?
46:42 - Grunt Style non-profit
56:33 - How do scents help people?
1:07:16 - Paige Figi's story
1:19:00 - Where to find Will and John

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