Key Conversation Points:

• There are over 15% of children in the United States with special needs. These precious children are in our schools, neighborhoods, families and churches.  We can grow in our mindfulness about their unique needs and learn how to love them and their warrior families. 
• Feeling alone in a crowd with the unique needs of your children can be the loneliest feeling in the world. 
• Have you ever been judged with people's eyes and voices like Lisa-Jo? 
• Lisa-Jo and Christie take the time to remember the past to encourage those in the trenches with little kids today.  Whether you need a prayer about an EpiPen, a tantrum, a bus driver or hope, Elrena Evans has the balm for the weathered heart of caretakers of children with unique abilities. 
• If you have children in your life, in any way, there's a book you need on your bedside table.  The book recommendation today is Special Grace: Prayers and Reflections for Families with Special Needs by Elrena Evans, Foreward by Joni Eareckson Tada.  It will help the helpers, parents, therapists, neighbors, friends and the church leaders that love these families.
• Reminder: There's a few more "Garden Party at Maplehurst" tickets available! Click here to buy them now.

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Key Conversation Points:

• Is Easter the weirdest time to invite people to church?
• Lisa-Jo and Christie chat about creating low barrier entry points in our circles whether it's an Easter Egg Hunt or an easy potluck.  
• Church service can be in your kitchen over soup as you share the heavy parts of your story.  Gathering and church can be simple, sad and beautiful in your own house, in your own way.
• What sense of belonging do you have with your friends and if you don't have it, can you start something like Lisa-Jo and her two friends started? Tell us in the reviews what you do to meet intentionally and regularly with your people. 
• Christie is hosting a Garden Party at Maplehurst in May!!! Purchase tickets here now because there's only 50 tickets available. They'll sell quickly. 
• Revisit Episode 29 from the Podcast Vault : Our Easy Recipe for Hospitality.
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Follow Lisa-Jo on Instagram @lisajobaker and Christie at @christiepurifoy and please leave a review about what you think about today's podcast!

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Key Conversation Points:

• Last week's episode is here if you’d like to listen to that first as Lisa-Jo and Christie continue to delve through the meaning of hope. 
• What conversation did Lisa-Jo and Christie have that started 14 years ago about a small God? 
• Is the Storyteller feeling sketchy to you too sometimes? 
• You’re allowed to wail and ask questions to God through suffering.  Jesus was  "acquainted with grief," just like us. Suffering isn't a sign of failure.  
• Sometimes you need a friend to hold the rope of hope, when we've lost all strength.
• God doesn't say "I can't use her because she's in the fetal position."
• Rom 5:3-5: "Suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character hope. And hope does not put us to shame because God's love has been poured out..."

Podcast links:

Follow Lisa-Jo on Instagram @lisajobaker and Christie at @christiepurifoy and please leave a review about what you think about today's podcast!

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Click here to join over 1 million people taking charge of their mental health through the online counseling offered by BetterHelp. Get 10% off your first month. http://www.betterhelp.com/ordinary

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Key Conversation Points:

• The Bible says humans plan their course but God directs their paths.
• We as a people believe in needing to be rescued, even though it's utterly vulnerable and uncomfortable. 
• C.S. Lewis writes in Mere Christianity, "Hope is one of the theological virtues...hope is not a form of wishful thinking or escapism."
• Does hope mean for you as it does in the Hebrew translation, the cord that binds you to God? Your mind will be blown by how it connects to Rahab! 
• Christ is holding us and he is the rope. If we let go, He won't. 
• In 1 Corinthians 13 it says faith, hope and love remains.  We can't dismiss it.  Hope is eternal. 
• Hope isn't a feeling. God wants Shalom in us. 

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Follow Lisa-Jo on Instagram @lisajobaker and Christie at @christiepurifoy and please leave a review about what you think about today's podcast!

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Key Conversation Points:

• This is a golden nugget from our podcast vault of precious and timeless truths from Lisa Jo's daughter, Zoe, when she was nine. Listen as they delve through winter, waiting and hope.  
• Straight up ugly is Zoe's favorite. Do you see the beauty in the dead of winter too? Even with everything gone, there's still the roots underground.
• How did Lisa-Jo and Peter eat their words during the pandemic? 
• God gives good gifts and waits until the perfect time. 
• Jesus doesn't want to give us a thing but wants to give us HIMSELF! He doesn't give a life preserver, but instead he gives His presence! 
• Thank you Cornerstone for your ministry!

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Key Conversation Points:

• The ordinary moments anchor us and connect us across neighborhoods, states, countries and oceans....even for Lisa-Jo's friend in Ukraine.
• Lisa-Jo graciously reminds us that acts of extraordinary courage are getting up and advocating for our kids, sick spouse or family abroad or taking time to serve at church or sharing our platforms with someone.  It all is courageous in the middle of hard times when all we really want to do is stay in bed.
• The rhythms of anticipation can feel like Christmas, even as we feel stuck in the end of winter.
• What is engraved in Lisa Jo’s bag that anchors her in such a powerful way right now? Let us know in the reviews what is anchoring you right now. We want to hear your stories.
• Read Psalm 77 in The Message, “I yell out to my God, with all my heart…and He listens.”

Current ordinary rhythms for Lisa-Jo and Christie:

What the Land Already Knows: Winter's Sacred Days (Stories from the Farm in Lucy) by Phyllis Tickle  Bitter and Sweet: A Journey Into Easter by Tsh Oxenreider. Amazon Prime show called Upload by Greg Daniels who created The Office and co-created Parks N Rec. Dick Francis's detective novels where the heros are ordinary and unexpected.   Dorthy Sayer writes mysteries in Lord Peter. 

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Key Conversation Points:

• When we are confronted with real world darkness, what do we do? 
• We don't have to create art that will hang in a museum.  Lisa-Jo states that, "Art can be a crossing guard, doctor, chef, writer, mom raising humans or a grandpa tending to his friends at the nursing home. It is art because we have the nature of God in us."
• Curt Thompson explains, "We are people with great longing...it is in our DNA to create things..we don't want to create things of mediocrity but evil wants to disrupt all of that and in that trauma we become people of great grief."
• Don't let platitudes smooth us past the hard moment. 
• Did you know C.S. Lewis fought in a war?  Christie's Narnia talk takes us deeper. 
• You model God's art as you live in the simplest ways. 

Out of the Ordinary Suggested Reading and Music:

• Shannan's Instagram Post.
• Timothy Willard's Instagram Post about CS Lewis's war and beauty.
• Curt Thompson podcast interview is here.
• "One Chance" by Tim Be Told.
• Greg Lafollette's "Songs of Common Prayer" are here. 

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Key Conversation Points:

• How can we enlarge ourselves for someone else's story? 
• What does it mean to embrace the ordinary smallness because therein lies the glory, the DNA, of Christ.  Lisa-Jo's intimate perspective on Ukraine is so vital to understand right now. Learn from her memories and experience. 
• Where Lisa-Jo used to work in Ukraine is the area that flashes across the news all the time right now. Who knew that building has so many special treasures?!
• How do Lisa-Jo's Ukrainian friends still have their ordinary mornings even in the midst of hearing bombs exploding in the background? 
• We can't opt out on the ordinary, holy moments and only focus on death and destruction.  Sorrow and every day life can hold hands. 
• What does Christie mean about naming and unnaming? How can it push back darkness? 
• Shannan's Instagram Post is here. 
• Lisa-Jo's Ukraine Post is here. 

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Key Conversation Points:

• Lisa-Jo and Christie are taking some assessments of their lives and wondering if they've made mistakes or are currently making them. 
• Where do we want to be by our next birthday? Hear about how Lisa-Jo and Christie are making plans! 
• Lisa-Jo's husband, Peter, said, "We think our job as a Christian is to produce something FOR Christ instead of receiving something FROM Christ."
• Will we accept Jesus's gentle invitation to go deeper? Even when it cuts deep.  Are we willing? Jesus is willing.
• Getting healing can also mean pain comes too. 
• Lisa-Jo revisits past pain and past trauma. God doesn't give you the old thing you lost but something new and miraculous. 
• The podcast that is mentioned from three weeks ago: "When you Feel Like You're Drowning."

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Key Conversation Points:

• Did you know about the sweet spot online where Lisa-Jo and Christie combine faith and art that's cultivated into a community? Join us online at the Black Barn Online. 
• Sometimes God calls us to do things that don't make sense to the world. 
• Christie states, "I didn't know I needed it in my life but now I know." If you know you know! 
• Doing the right thing and following your dreams..isn't always a party. What's the dream that's burning in your bones and it's okay if it doesn't look like the picture in your head?
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