Passle CMO Series Podcast

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  • Episode 3 - CMO Series Digital Masterclass: How Thought Leadership Determines Digital Success

    Welcome to Episode 3 of the CMO Series Digital Masterclass where we explore the best strategies from professional services marketers for building a world-class digital presence. 


    Our latest research found that legal marketing priorities are changing with digital media and thought leadership rising to the top. Today, we're focusing on how thought leadership determines digital success and positions firms at the forefront of their clients' and prospects' minds.

    In this episode, we’ll dive into the crucial role that thought leadership plays in enhancing digital visibility and credibility. We’ve gathered top digital advice from previous episodes of the CMO Series Podcast, offering actionable insights and proven techniques to help your firm stand out online. 

    Be sure to check out the full episodes featured, listed below:


    CMO Series EP82 - Judith McKay of McCarthy Tétrault on content and its importance in effective professional services marketing, Charlotte Knight, Charles Cousins (passle.net)

    Episode 95 - Angela Pandolfo Roy of Gibbons Law on Content Management: The Linchpin of Legal Marketing & BD, Charlotte Knight, Ed Lovatt (passle.net)

    CMO Series EP109 - Alison Janzen of Torkin Manes on Building an Integrated Approach to Content Marketing, Eugene McCormick, Charlotte Knight (passle.net)

    CMO Series EP112 - Ashley Horne of Womble Bond Dickinson on Taking a Campaign Approach to Legal Content Marketing, Ed Lovatt, Charlotte Knight (passle.net)

    CMO Series EP145 - John Neidecker of Norris McLaughlin on The Evolving Role Of Thought Leadership In Legal Marketing, Charles Cousins, Charlotte Knight, Sonali Badul (passle.net)

    16 min
  • Episode 152 - Clinton Gary of CREDO Consulting on Collaborative Growth: A Guide for CMOs and Managing Partners

    Law firm leadership requires a collaborative effort across all functions. Collaboration between lawyers, teams and practices can be pivotal to the success of marketing and business development. 

    In this episode of the CMO Series, Alistair Bone welcomes Clinton Gary to share his insights on how law firm CMOs and Managing Partners can effectively collaborate.

    With 25 years of experience as CMBDO in prominent law and Big 5 firms, Clinton is currently the Founder and Managing Partner of CREDO Consulting and has a focus on collaborative growth.

    Clinton and Ali cover:

    • The meaning of collaboration and why Managing Partners and CMOs should prioritize it
  • Clinton’s journey and experiences that have contributed to his expertise in collaboration
  • The critical role of collaboration in marketing and business development
  • Key signs or indicators that suggest collaboration needs to be improved within a firm
  • Common challenges that firms face, hindering effective collaboration
  • Identification of collaboration issues and the practical steps to improve it
  • What Managing Partners and CMOs should focus on to enhance collaboration within their firms
  • 46 min
  • Episode 2 - CMO Series Digital Masterclass: Placing Thought Leadership At The Heart Of Your Online Brand

    Welcome to Episode 2 of the CMO Series Digital Masterclass. Today, we’ll explore how thought leadership can transform your firm’s online brand.

    We’ve curated top digital insights from our CMO Series Podcast - links to the full episodes are listed below. 

    Join us as we delve into essential tools and strategies for professional services marketers, revealing why thought leadership is becoming central to digital success. We'll share success stories from industry leaders who have made their firm's expertise the cornerstone of their online presence.

    Check out:

    CMO Series EP43 - One firm, your firm - Sophie Bowkett of Bird & Bird on building more human and more effective legal brands, Charlotte Knight, Charles Cousins (passle.net)

    CMO Series EP99 - Behind the Scenes of a Legal Rebrand with Erica Roman of Cole Schotz, Charlotte Knight, Charles Cousins (passle.net)

    CMO Series Podcast LIVE - Erin Stone Dimry on Positioning Your Firm as the Go-To Choice, Alistair Bone, Charlotte Knight (passle.net)

    CMO Series EP131 - Noni Garratt-Wall of Charles Russell Speechlys on The Art Of A Law Firm Rebrand, Will Eke, Charlotte Knight (passle.net)

    14 min
  • Episode 151 - Tim Mullane of Wilson Elser on How to Align Budgets with Your Firm’s Growth Strategy

    Law firm budgets are under increasing scrutiny as firms face pressure to maximize efficiency, adapt to changing market conditions, and deliver more value to clients. 

    For CMOs, understanding and aligning the marketing budget with the firm's broader strategic goals is critical. A well-aligned budget ensures that marketing efforts directly support the firm’s growth objectives, enhance client engagement, and improve ROI for marketing activities.


    In this episode of the CMO Series Podcast, Alistair Bone sits down with Tim Mullane, Chief Marketing and Business Development Officer at Wilson Elser, to understand how to align a firm’s budget with its growth strategy. 

    Tim and Ali Cover:

    • The current trends impacting law firm budgets, and why CMOs should prioritize this issue
  • What causes budget misalignment in law firms, and examples of the consequences when it happens
  • How marketers can effectively align their budgets with their firm's strategic goals
  • How to successfully amend budgets once new priorities are set
  • The concept of “winners” in a budget allocation context and how to identify them
  • The timeframes law firms should consider when setting budgets and how to evaluate the effectiveness of their strategies 
  • The most important aspect marketers should consider when ensuring their budget aligns with their strategy
  • 41 min
  • Introducing CMO Series Digital Masterclass: Elevating Your Firm's Digital Presence

    Welcome to the CMO Series Digital Masterclass, an exciting new sub-series of the CMO Series Podcast. This masterclass is designed to help professional services marketers build world-class digital platforms that enhance their firm's online presence and position them as thought leaders.

    The CMO Series Digital Masterclass is inspired by Passle’s latest research and the pressing needs of today’s marketing leaders. The goal is to provide actionable insights and best practices for developing robust online platforms that keep your firm front of mind for clients and prospects.

    To kick off this series, Charlie Knight, Marketing and Communications Manager is joined by Sam Page, Marketing Director at Passle, to discuss why creating a strong digital presence is vital for firms in today’s market and outline the first steps to getting started.

    In this episode, we cover:
    • What the CMO Series Digital Masterclass is and how it came about
  • Insights from the CMO Series Legal Leadership Report 2024, revealing the top priorities for CMOs and Managing Partners
  • The importance of building your firm's online presence through thought leadership to attract clients
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    To stay in the loop on all upcoming episodes and best practice content, subscribe to the CMO Series Podcast and visit passle.net/digitalmasterclass

     

    9 min
  • Episode 150 - Lee Grunnell of Womble Bond Dickinson on The Importance Of Advertising in Professional Services

    In the realm of B2B professional services, advertising is frequently one of the least utilized marketing tools. Earlier this year, Thompson Reuters published their "State of Global Legal Marketing & BD" report, revealing that professional services marketers rated advertising as the least effective marketing tactic, behind PR, social media, and client education.

    In this episode of the CMO Series Podcast, Lee Grunnell, CMO at Womble Bond Dickinson joins Charles Cousins to discuss the importance of advertising in professional services, exploring the common misconceptions and the opportunities for firms.

    Lee and Charles cover:

    • Why marketers should rethink their priorities when it comes to advertising
  • What effective advertising in professional services looks like
  • The considerations or constraints that make advertising for a services firm unique in comparison to other industries
  • How to approach getting buy-in for advertising efforts at a firm
  • The results from advertising at a services firm, and how can marketers measure the success
  • Lee’s advice for CMOs thinking about implementing advertising as part of their marketing mix
  • 27 min
  • Episode 149 - Paul Askew of Withersworldwide on Why Legal Marketing Needs to Get Personal

    Authentic, human-centred stories have long been a staple in B2C marketing, but they’re much less common in the world of professional services. As digital media rises, the fast-paced nature of the media landscape and decreasing attention spans mean marketers need to put in extra effort to make a substantial impact.

    In this episode of the CMO Series, Charles Cousins welcomes Paul Askew, the Global Strategic Campaigns Manager at Withersworldwide. 

    Paul discusses the power of storytelling in professional services marketing which is highlighted by their highly successful campaigns, 'Global Rethinkers', 'The Discourse', and 'Defining Moments', created in partnership with the Financial Times.


    Paul and Charles cover:

    • The importance of storytelling in a firm’s marketing strategy
  • How authentic, human stories significantly personalizes marketing, especially in the legal sector
  • The journey of shifting brand perception through the use of partnerships and support from partners and clients
  • The impact, challenges and the measure of success regarding campaigns and the reason behind the success
  • Paul’s insights into the future of personal storytelling in his marketing strategy


  • 38 min
  • Episode 148 - Elizabeth Anscombe of Nardello & Co. on Building Trust in Confidential Services

    Marketing in confidential services comes with distinct challenges and requires a strategic approach to establish and sustain trust. 

    In this episode of the Passle CMO Series Podcast, Cam Dobinson explores these intricacies with Elizabeth Anscombe, Chief Business Development & Marketing Officer at Nardello & Co.

    Lizzie offers her insights on how Nardello & Co. informs its audience about its highly specialized services, the significance of maintaining a client-focused approach despite confidentiality limitations, and the methods employed to establish and maintain trust in a field often enveloped in secrecy.

    Lizzie and Cam cover:

    • Lizzie’s diverse career background and how it has influenced her approach to marketing in the global investigative space
  • The “cloak and dagger” image of the investigation sector and the importance of transparency 
  • The strategies employed for building and maintaining trust with clients 
  • The role of consistent service and brand messaging
  • Advice for marketers looking to build trust with their clients 


  • 15 min
  • CMO Series Podcast Special - CMO Series Live NYC: The Highlights

    In this special edition of the CMO Series Podcast, Natasha Sandamas, Events Marketing Manager, joins the series to reflect on Passle’s first Stateside CMO Series Live event which took place in New York City in June. 

    Delving into the highlights from the sessions, we hear from an incredible lineup of speakers including Chief Marketing Officers, Chief Operating Officers and General Counsels from the world’s top firms. They joined the day to share their unique perspectives on everything from how to integrate data into your business development strategies and delivering a world-class digital presence, to how to position your firm as the best choice, all under the theme of putting your firm front of mind with clients. 

    A huge thanks to our fantastic speakers for sharing their insights: Trish Lilley, Chief Marketing & Business Development Officer at Thompson Coburn, Sadie Baron Chief Marketing Officer at Reed Smith, Phill McGowan Global Director of Marketing and Communications at Reed Smith,  Kelly Harbour, Chief Business Development Officer at Goulston & Storrs, Terra Liddell, Chief Marketing Officer at Finnegan, Nicole Petrie, Chief Marketing and Business Development Officer at Schulte Roth & Zabel, Monica Rodriguez Kuniyoshi, Chief Marketing Officer at Gunderson Dettmer, Joe Green, Chief Innovation Officer at Gunderson Dettmer, Christa Crane, Chief Client & Strategy Officer, Loeb & Loeb, Julie Chodos, Chief Marketing and Business Development Officer at Axinn, Ralph Allen, Chief Operating Officer at  Kelley Drye & Warren, Jennifer Korff, Chief Operating Officer at  Brown Rudnick, Annie Westover, Chief Operating Officer at Axinn, Adam Kassoff, Chief Operating Officer at Vinson & Elkins, Luke Ferrandino, Chief Marketing Officer at Paul Weiss, Alison Arjoon, Chief Marketing and Business Development Officer at Fragomen, Deborah Ruffins, Chief Marketing Officer at Perkins Coie, Shade Vaughn, Chief Marketing and Business Development Officer at Akin Gump and Crossley Sanford, Managing Director at Ankura, Brian Rauch, General Counsel at Harvard Maintenance, Julie Aslaksen, General Counsel at Host Hotels, Alex Dimitrief, General Counsel at Sotera Health Company and Lisa Anastos General Counsel at IdeaQuest.



    41 min
  • Episode 147 - Phill McGowan of Reed Smith on Strategic Communications: The Greatest Untapped Potential in Legal BD?

    As the landscape of legal services evolves, so does the significance of effective communication strategies. 


    Today, Eugene McCormick is lucky to welcome Phill McGowan, Global Director of Marketing and Communications at Reed Smith to the CMO Series Podcast to share his insights on the biggest opportunities for legal communications professionals today and reveal his strategies for driving business growth.

    Phill joins the series to delve into his background in newspapers and journalism, the evolution of content strategy in legal marketing, and what that means for law firms today. 

     

    Phill and Eugene cover: 

    • Phill’s career and some of the highlights from that journey into legal communications
  • The role of communications functions within law firms in adapting to meet today’s environment
  • How to integrate communications within the broader context of business development in a legal setting and the challenges of aligning communication efforts with business objectives
  • Examples of successful communication strategies that have made a significant impact
  • The approaches or platforms that have been effective in enhancing communication and thought leadership at Reed Smith
  • Advice for legal communications professionals aiming to align with and drive their firm's BD strategy
  • 31 min

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