On this week’s episode of The Waves, the next presidential election is one year away and we are entering a storm of macho man politics. Slate senior producer Cheyna Roth is joined by NPR politics reporter Danielle Kurtzleben to talk about why men keep talking about their manly-men bonafides, how that affects women trying to be in politics, and more. 

More From Danielle and Mentioned in the Episode: 

• All the Things I Wish Someone Had Told Me Before I Gave Birth by Danielle Kurtzleben 
• The Race I Will Watch Most Closely in 2024 (Besides President) by Danielle Kurtzleben 
• A Professional Lady Correspondent Stares Down Motherhood by Danielle Kurtzleben 
• Male Democratic Candidates Will Have To Answer Gender Role Questions In 2020 Race by Danielle Kurtzleben 
• How 2022 Became the Year of Over-the-Top Masculinity in Politics by Bill Donahue 

In Slate Plus: A check-in on new mom Danielle and whether she has in fact become a “mom” or just a person with a kid.

If you liked this episode, check out: Are “Cool Moms” A Menace? 

Podcast production by Cheyna Roth and Vic Whitley-Berry with editorial oversight by Daisy Rosario and Alicia Montgomery.

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