When Penny Moodie appeared on her husband Hugh Van Cuylenburg's podcast to talk about the mental load of parenting, the response was huge.

Penny shared an experience that so many mothers can relate to: the rage and frustration that comes with feeling like everything at home is falling on you.

And on the other side of the coin, Hugh - the founder of the Resilience Project - shared an experience that many fathers will relate to: feeling like he was doing everything that he could and that it still wasn't enough.

That was, until he started to realise just how much his wife was taking on, thanks to Eve Rodksy's Fair Play book and deck of cards.

Penny is more than just Hugh's wife and a regular guest on his podcast though. She's a published author, an OCD advocate, a mum of three and a social work student.

Here, we talk about going through those Fair Play cards and making the invisible load at home visible, her experience with OCD and how that's shown up in motherhood, and how she went about writing her newly released book The Joy Thief.

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