This week, Chuck and I dig into the recent Philz Coffee sale. We break down how venture capital and private equity deals actually work, why common stockholders often walk away with nothing, and the difference between preferred and common shares. We talk about how control shifts once big investors enter the picture, the influence of a board, and how decision-making can drift from a company’s original vision.

We also explore the missed opportunity for Philz to take care of employees who invested their own money, even without a legal requirement to do so. From coffee companies as “brand pieces” for investment firms, to the challenges of scaling retail, we compare this sale to deals like Blue Bottle’s. It’s a conversation about money, ownership, and the choices that shape a company’s legacy.

🔖 Chapters –

01:07 Philz Sale

05:06 Common equity overview

10:50 Fluffy words

12:11 The start of philz

14:09 what is venture capital actually getting from cafe purchases

18:38 Philz sale vs Blue Bottle

22:25 Who's getting what and who should have

26:47 ​​Takeaways from this sale

🔗 Links –

KQED Philz Article:

https://www.kqed.org/news/12051278/no-layoffs-in-philz-coffee-sale-but-stock-owning-former-employees-will-lose-out

SF Standard Article:

https://sfstandard.com/2025/08/01/philz-coffee-sale-private-equity/

Cat & Cloud:

Instagram www.instagram.com/catcloudcoffee/

Webstore www.catandcloud.com/

Chris Baca’s Personal Blog: www.chrisbaca.com/

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