Denny Hamlin earns his first top-five finish of the season in Phoenix, but the car still wasn’t as fast as Christopher Bell and Ryan Blaney. Denny explains why they had the best car in November but didn’t have that same speed this time around. He admits he’s checking the points after every race, but he isn’t worried yet because the season is still long.

Sunday’s race featured more horsepower, failing tires, and racing that felt like old-school NASCAR. Denny explains why Goodyear isn’t to blame for the tire issues and why the teams may have pushed things too far.

The guys also debate the classic strategy question once again: two tires or four?

Plus, Denny is happy that “win and you’re in” is gone; they discuss whether Chase Briscoe’s title hopes are already in trouble, preview why Darlington could turn into complete chaos, and Denny reveals he’s going fishing at Celine Dion’s later this week.

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