Polite Conversations

This is pt 2 of a 2-part conversation. If you haven’t checked out pt 1 yet pls do that first.

Find the public version of pt 1 here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/64LAN33YtOqriIUIJnbace?si=K0hSVX2LR7mfeB3PV_i1HQ&utm_source=copy-link

Extended patreon version here: https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos/posts/ep-116-follow-up-170741285?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link

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Jack and Daniel from the IDSG podcast join me for a follow up conversation after our previous one from April of this year. We cover genocide in Gaza, war in Iran, Zionism, nationalism, failures of western extremism experts, manufactured & weaponized antisemitism campaigns, the weight given to antisemitism vs the weight given to other bigotries in the west…. And more.

Links

Find our previous conversation ‘Clearing the Air w/ IDSG’ here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/48aYSHosDtutFJT0Y1kRhs?si=zl-fsEmZRVeFxnbUjqfx1g&utm_source=copy-link

Find the extended Patreon version here: https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos/posts/clearing-air-w-155535014?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_fan&utm_content=web_share

Check out IDSG’s Murray/Shermer episode that comes up in our conversation here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4LNeaM6vvJaBY2q9ExFMiL?si=eP6zJUJyRUiR_AriLiloug&utm_source=copy-link

Thread about western extremism experts on Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/nicemangos.bsky.social/post/3mfwic3ivmk2x

Patreon Exclusive post where I expand my thoughts on Harris calling Mamdani an Islamist https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos/posts/sam-harris-calls-155951550

Patreon discussion from after the previous convo w IDSG: https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos/posts/after-idsg-convo-156216923/edit

Clip about flags & Nationalism that Daniel refers to in this conversation: https://bsky.app/profile/nicemangos.bsky.social/post/3mpqvpmvr3223

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Jack and Daniel from the IDSG podcast join me for a follow up conversation after our previous one from April of this year. We cover genocide in Gaza, war in Iran, Zionism, nationalism, failures of western extremism experts, manufactured & weaponized antisemitism campaigns, the weight given to antisemitism vs the weight given to other bigotries in the west…. And more.

Links

Find our previous conversation ‘Clearing the Air w/ IDSG’ here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/48aYSHosDtutFJT0Y1kRhs?si=zl-fsEmZRVeFxnbUjqfx1g&utm_source=copy-link

Find the extended Patreon version here: https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos/posts/clearing-air-w-155535014?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_fan&utm_content=web_share

Check out IDSG’s Murray/Shermer episode that comes up in our conversation here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4LNeaM6vvJaBY2q9ExFMiL?si=eP6zJUJyRUiR_AriLiloug&utm_source=copy-link

Thread about western extremism experts on Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/nicemangos.bsky.social/post/3mfwic3ivmk2x

LA’s Holocaust Museum Walks Back “Never Again” Statementhttps://hyperallergic.com/los-angeles-holocaust-museum-walks-back-never-again-statement-sparking-outcry/

Polite Conversations episode ‘Can Genocide Studies survive a Genocide?’ https://open.spotify.com/episode/5mpxDnGm1c8isJlDGgidqc?si=JSqYJhL4RLOA1IRc3bdckQ&utm_source=copy-link

Extended Patreon version of the episode: https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos/posts/ep-99-can-ft-135158487/edit

Raz Segal: Genocide Denial in Holocaust Studies https://jacobin.com/2025/01/gaza-genocide-holocaust-studies-germany

Sarah Hurwitz’ comments https://youtu.be/BcRk3sQJbbA?si=IoWeyou9WMPGuTNq

Relevant Polite Conversations Ep - Fascism Disguised as ‘Fighting Antisemitism’ https://open.spotify.com/episode/08Undnqj62KG0y7h5TrCXK?si=wl9rRkZGRi6QuWA1RaAwFg&utm_source=copy-link

Find the Extended version here: https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos/posts/ep-115-fascism-169848973?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link

Patreon discussion from after the previous convo w IDSG: https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos/posts/after-idsg-convo-156216923/edit

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This episode has been unlocked, as promised!

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Polite Conversations is part of a progressive independent Canadian podcast community Check out Harbinger media at Harbingermedianetwork.com

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On this episode I’m joined by Jon Phillips, Historian of Science, who has done work for the SPLC covering scientific racism. (Find him on Bsky @jowiph.bsky.social)

This conversation delves into the topic of race ‘science’ — primarily via skull measuring enthusiast, Charles Murray. We discuss the significance and impact of his larger project, his rhetorical tactics, the tainted sources in The Bell Curve …as well as Murray’s association with The Pioneer Fund and more.

We dive into the overlaps between the world of scientific racism and New Atheism. Sam Harris’ attempts to rehabilitate and mainstream Murray’s pseudoscience is also a recurring topic throughout the episode. And we discuss the far-right non-profit foundation The Pioneer Fund in more detail, we examine its links to research on eugenics, race ‘science’ and extremist views.

Links:

The Tainted Sources of ‘The Bell Curve’ (1994) https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1994/12/01/the-tainted-sources-of-the-bell-curve/

Archived 1994 article that is mentioned in this episode https://web.archive.org/web/20110129125309/http://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/09/magazine/daring-research-or-social-science-pornography-charles-murray.html

Hope Not Hate investigation into the race ‘science’ movement https://investigations.hopenothate.org.uk/race-science-inc/?utm_source=main_website&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=hub_page

A new book on race and evolution by noted science writer Nicholas Wade legitimizes racist and anti-Semitic theories. (2014) https://www.splcenter.org/resources/reports/troublesome-sources/

Journals that published Richard Lynn’s racist ‘research’ articles should retract them (2024) https://www.statnews.com/2024/06/20/richard-lynn-racist-research-articles-journals-retractions/

Adrianne Black https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrianne_Black (previously known as Derek Black)

Polite Conversations Race ‘science’ panel episodes mentioned in this chat:

Ad-free Patreon versions:

Pt 1 https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos/posts/ep-82-race-pt-1-110461457/edit

Pt 2 https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos/posts/race-science-pt-110534234/edit

Pt 3 https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos/posts/race-science-pt-110539173/edit

Public versions (Full Episodes)

Pt 1 https://spotify.link/otjmpUOgOXb

Pt 2 https://spotify.link/7l3SgcUgOXb

Pt 3 https://spotify.link/Jqw8rqWgOXb

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With widespread Zionist pressure campaigns and billionaire attempts at controlling our speech & access to information, this topic becomes more urgent by the day.

As we saw with the Macklemore/Ed Sheeran situation, with pop star Pink’s entitled tantrum, with the endless condemnations of Mark Ruffalo, Hasan Piker and Abdul El Sayed over completely fabricated allegations of antisemitism — these outrage cycles are based entirely on shielding Israel from criticism (while it commits endless atrocities), not on a principled anti-bigotry stance.

This is something that even many western extremism experts are failing to cover or articulate.

Join me for an in-depth look at this topic.

Find the extended version via patreon: https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos/posts/ep-115-fascism-169848973

Links:

Mark Ruffalo fires back at Paramount Skydance https://www.theguardian.com/film/2026/aug/24/mark-ruffalo-fires-back-paramount-oracle-accused-antisemitic-tropes-israel

Hasan Piker is being smeared for saying what others have https://youtube.com/shorts/h4IxFPQvtNo?si=BLd3CrroUdPSgjJW

What Hasan actually said https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3mtwro633zk2r

Pink faces backlash after reposting a statement from pro-Israel group https://x.com/qudsnen/status/2097289749463503037?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Pink Criticized After Demanding Ed Sheeran Refund Fans Over Macklemore https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/music/articles/pink-criticized-demanding-ed-sheeran-132156443.html

The smear campaign against Abdul El-Sayed is built on lies, Islamophobia and hate https://www.metrotimes.com/news/the-smear-campaign-against-abdul-el-sayed-is-built-on-lies-islamophobia-and-hate/

Oracle exec delights in ‘Scary Technology’ unleashed on Gaza https://youtu.be/t1Rok0IPhiQ?si=mNwlNLXr2E5tcuoD

Top Donor to IDF is buying up US media https://youtube.com/shorts/8EAOmMvZRYc?si=hsRuRvQOuHX13pFs

Germany approves nearly $1bn in arms exports to Israel https://thecradle.co/articles/germany-approves-nearly-1bn-in-arms-exports-to-israel

How Nicaragua defended its ICJ case accusing Germany of complicity in Israel's genocide https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/how-nicaragua-defended-icj-case-accusing-germany-complicity-israel-genocide

House just Voted to Integrate Israel & the US Military https://youtube.com/shorts/7zewIhvs6SE?si=W8PH1ebxhKwe_jnf

Israeli envoy calls Italian magazine antisemitic over settler violence coverage https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-envoy-italy-calls-magazine-antisemitic-over-settler-violence-coverage

Genocide Denial in Holocaust Studies https://jacobin.com/2025/01/gaza-genocide-holocaust-studies-germany

Bake sales for Gaza could stoke Jew hatred, EU warns https://www.yahoo.com/news/bake-sales-gaza-could-stoke-122320754.html

London hospital takes down artwork by Gaza schoolchildren after complaint https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/27/artwork-gaza-schoolchildren-removed-chelsea-and-westminster-hospital

Guest at Jewish American Summit tells Muslims to GTFO of America https://x.com/middleeasteye/status/2095130486536372645?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Jasper Nathaniel’s call to action for Jewish Americans https://x.com/infinite_jaz/status/2096330117505052709?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

'Symbolic' UK sanctions on Israel aim to avoid Washington's wrath https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/uk-symbolic-sanctions-israel-avoid-washington-wrath

Fake US thinktank set up and funded by Israel sought to game AI for propaganda https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/aug/26/fake-thinktank-israel-ai-propaganda

Israel Paying influencers for propaganda https://responsiblestatecraft.org/israel-influencers-netanyahu/

US House passes bill penalizing universities that participate in boycott of Israel https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/sep/03/israel-boycott-university-ban-bill

UK Lawyers for Israel calls to proscribe Doctors Without Borders as terror group https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-lawyers-israel-calls-ban-doctors-without-borders-terror-group

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Journalist and author of ‘To Catch a Fascist’ Christopher Mathias joins me to discuss the state of the American far right.

We talk about what laid the groundwork for these political conditions, we compare Trump 1.0 & 2.0… and we also discuss the role that mainstream media & the Democrats have played in the rising tide of American fascism. All that and more on this episode of The Global Far Right.

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Links:

Find the extended version of this episode here:

https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos/posts/global-far-right-164817590#no_universal_links

Find the rest of the Global Far Right miniseries here: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/40h4VTDTEEpqWHOuH4uDLI?si=13i_lmBhQzWQNbYkm3YzUw&utm_source=copy-link&pi=g41RqjyCRaSV-

Find Christopher’s book ‘To Catch a Fascist’ here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/To-Catch-a-Fascist/Christopher-Mathias/9781668034767

Politico story on pro-Trump troll ‘Microchip’s’ anti-antifa petition https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/24/antifa-white-house-petition-trump-troll-241990

Christopher Mathias’ 2018 story covering the extreme nature of Steve King’s views https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-supremacists-running-for-office-2018_n_5a7da926e4b0c6726e1285c1

FIRE receives Koch funding https://bsky.app/profile/nicemangos.bsky.social/post/3mrnj2ityas2n

The man who headed Trump’s invasions of US cities (Bovino) joined the US and European far right in Portugal to preach “remigration”—a plan to expel all minorities and immigrants.

https://www.wired.com/story/greg-bovino-was-the-star-at-a-european-remigration-conference/

After teasing a presidential bid, Greg Bovino joined a white nationalist’s podcast

https://www.ms.now/news/greg-bovino-white-nationalist-podcast-kevin-deanna

From my miniseries on Sam Harris Woking Up:

Ep 1 focuses on his views on race and racism in policing https://open.spotify.com/episode/0v1VYmWKx6dgT5GEdL2OpK?si=JyGf6zQESsaWrtcLXPXllQ&utm_source=copy-link

Ep 4 of Woking Up discusses Sam Harris’ post Jan 6 bothsidesing, and racism denial https://open.spotify.com/episode/420oTb5Eh7GVjRjGnJY5fA?si=VskaAYgfQp2FQpmorOBPrA&utm_source=copy-link

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If you enjoy the show pls consider supporting via patreon.com/nicemangos

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Polite Conversations is part of a progressive independent Canadian podcast community Check out Harbinger media at  Harbingermedianetwork.com

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On this episode I’m joined by Jon Phillips, Historian of Science, who has done work for the SPLC covering scientific racism. (Find him on Bsky @jowiph.bsky.social)

This conversation delves into the topic of race ‘science’ — primarily via skull measuring enthusiast, Charles Murray. We discuss the significance and impact of his larger project, his rhetorical tactics, the tainted sources in The Bell Curve …as well as Murray’s association with The Pioneer Fund and more.

We dive into the overlaps between the world of scientific racism and New Atheism. Sam Harris’ attempts to rehabilitate and mainstream Murray’s pseudoscience is also a recurring topic throughout the episode. And we discuss the far-right non-profit foundation The Pioneer Fund in more detail, we examine its links to research on eugenics, race ‘science’ and extremist views.

Links:

Find the Extended version of this episode here: https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos/posts/fashademics-4-167414020?pr=true&forSale=true

The Tainted Sources of ‘The Bell Curve’ (1994) https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1994/12/01/the-tainted-sources-of-the-bell-curve/

Archived 1994 article that is mentioned in this episode https://web.archive.org/web/20110129125309/http://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/09/magazine/daring-research-or-social-science-pornography-charles-murray.html

Hope Not Hate investigation into the race ‘science’ movement https://investigations.hopenothate.org.uk/race-science-inc/?utm_source=main_website&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=hub_page

A new book on race and evolution by noted science writer Nicholas Wade legitimizes racist and anti-Semitic theories. (2014) https://www.splcenter.org/resources/reports/troublesome-sources/

Journals that published Richard Lynn’s racist ‘research’ articles should retract them (2024) https://www.statnews.com/2024/06/20/richard-lynn-racist-research-articles-journals-retractions/

Adrianne Black https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrianne_Black (previously known as Derek Black)

Polite Conversations Race ‘science’ panel episodes mentioned in this chat:

Ad-free Patreon versions:

Pt 1 https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos/posts/ep-82-race-pt-1-110461457/edit

Pt 2 https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos/posts/race-science-pt-110534234/edit

Pt 3 https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos/posts/race-science-pt-110539173/edit

Public versions (Full Episodes)

Pt 1 https://spotify.link/otjmpUOgOXb

Pt 2 https://spotify.link/7l3SgcUgOXb

Pt 3 https://spotify.link/Jqw8rqWgOXb

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[Aired originally for premium patrons in Dec 2025]

Hope you enjoy this episode. I put a lot of work into listening to all these comedians and gathering clips. It’s a subject that feels very personal, because I grew up in Saudi Arabia and have been very disturbed by the successful whitewashing that MBS has been doing recently.

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Comedian Andy Kindler (from Bob’s Burgers) joins me for an in depth look at some of the excuses that were made by the comedians who went to perform at the Riyadh Comedy Festival.

Was this festival an indication of progress in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia or was it put on to create the illusion of progress?

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Featured Clips from: Chris Tucker, NBC News, Bill Maher, Louis CK, Tim Dillon, Aziz Ansari, Whitney Cummings, Bill Burr & Joe Rogan

Links:

A Saudi journalist tweeted against the government – and was executed for ‘high treason’: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/18/saudi-arabia-turki-al-jasser-executed

Producer/Animator receives prison sentence for Netflix Comedy series https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/04/world/middleeast/netflix-masameer-saudi-arabia-prison.html

Archived version of NYT article: https://archive.ph/QqSR8

Saudi cartoonist sentenced to 23 years https://apnews.com/article/saudi-arabia-cartoonist-sentenced-crackdown-0fbb4a3d9532a363ea6f014bdab53876

Human Rights Watch: Riyadh Comedy Festival Whitewashes Abuses https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/09/23/saudi-arabia-riyadh-comedy-festival-whitewashes-abuses

Human Rights Watch ‘Cannot Accept’ Donations From Aziz Ansari and Other Comedians Who Performed at Riyadh Comedy Festival https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/human-rights-watch-refuses-aziz-ansari-riyadh-donation-1236544862/

Tim Dillon Fired from Riyadh Comedy Festival https://www.billboard.com/pro/tim-dillon-fired-riyadh-comedy-festival-saudi-slavery/

Dave Chapelle says its easier to talk in Saudi Arabia than the US https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/dave-chappelle-saudi-arabia-free-speech-1235439890/

82% of Jewish Israelis Back Forcibly Expelling Gazans https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-05-28/ty-article-magazine/.premium/yes-to-transfer-82-of-jewish-israelis-back-expelling-gazans/00000197-12a4-df22-a9d7-9ef6af930000

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[aired originally August 13, 2025 on Patreon, released on the main feed Nov 2025]

Finnish expert on far-right extremism Sami Eerola [https://bsky.app/profile/eerolasami.bsky.social] joins me for a conversation about the far-right in Finland. We discuss the sharp swing from Sanna Marin’s progressive govt to the most rightwing government Finland has had since the 1930’s, neo-nazi groups & festivals like ‘white boy summer’, the various racism related scandals coming from far right govt officials and more.

If you enjoy the show pls consider supporting via patreon.com/nicemangos

Links:

Find all the unlocked publicly available episodes in the Global Far Right miniseries here:

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/40h4VTDTEEpqWHOuH4uDLI?si=O1uDXmc_QXuidykoNFcJAA&utm_source=copy-link&pi=KpkE0nxFQvWZt

I revisited Sam’s views on nuking places preemptively in detail here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/136580589?pr=true&forSale=true

Find Sami’s Finnish language newsletter here   https://laitaoikeistonviikko.substack.com/

The Finnish government attempts to overcome the overt racism of its minister https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/08/20/the-finnish-government-attempts-to-overcome-the-overt-racism-of-its-ministers_6099989_4.html

Far-right Finnish leader Riikka Purra sorry in racist posts uproar https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66166795

Finland economy minister resigns over Nazi comments https://www.dw.com/en/finland-economy-minister-resigns-over-nazi-comments/a-66084409

Many Finns Party ministers have pointed to replacement theory https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/politics/23836-many-finns-party-ministers-have-pointed-to-replacement-theory.html

Chet Hanks says Social Justice Warriors can kick rocks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgN1Lc5USOI

Tom Hanks’ son shares anti-vaccine videos, claims there’s more evidence for UFOs than for COVID shot safety https://www.news10.com/news/tom-hanks-son-shares-anti-vaccine-videos-claims-theres-more-evidence-for-ufos-than-for-covid-shot-safety/

White Boy Summer: Investigating the Finnish Far Right https://youtu.be/3CXRZKihkUw?si=3ehv9c99jiEr-EEM

The Palestine Laboratory pt 1 https://youtu.be/1GvkFwpzDhI?si=ljpWs3vOjiUJQcYy

Pt 2 https://youtu.be/5pPQydBGwQY?si=Mc-9moAZWMOylkU2

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What meaning do flags and flags and symbols of nationalism hold?

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This is a clip from pt 3 of my conversation with Canadian Journalist of Israeli background, Corey Atad. Find the extended version of the convo here: https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos/posts/ep-113-double-162731875?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link]

Find the Public version of the convo here:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/7pKkyUzjW9JzUgLuEBJt12?si=V2T9K2ryQV6dinDWhLcYFg&utm_source=copy-link

If you enjoy the show pls consider supporting via patreon.com/nicemangos

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Polite Conversations is part of a progressive independent Canadian podcast community Check out Harbinger Media at  Harbingermedianetwork.com

Journalist and author of ‘To Catch a Fascist’ Christopher Mathias joins me to discuss the state of the American far right.

We talk about what laid the groundwork for these political conditions, we compare Trump 1.0 & 2.0… and we also discuss the role that mainstream media & the Democrats have played in the rising tide of American fascism. All that and more on this episode of The Global Far Right.

If you enjoy the show pls consider supporting via patreon.com/nicemangos & unlock bonus content and extended episodes.

Links:

Find the extended version of this episode here:

https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos/posts/global-far-right-164817590#no_universal_links

Find the rest of the Global Far Right miniseries here: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/40h4VTDTEEpqWHOuH4uDLI?si=13i_lmBhQzWQNbYkm3YzUw&utm_source=copy-link&pi=g41RqjyCRaSV-

Find Christopher’s book ‘To Catch a Fascist’ here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/To-Catch-a-Fascist/Christopher-Mathias/9781668034767

Politico story on pro-Trump troll ‘Microchip’s’ anti-antifa petition https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/24/antifa-white-house-petition-trump-troll-241990

Christopher Mathias’ 2018 story covering the extreme nature of Steve King’s views https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-supremacists-running-for-office-2018_n_5a7da926e4b0c6726e1285c1

FIRE receives Koch funding https://bsky.app/profile/nicemangos.bsky.social/post/3mrnj2ityas2n

The man who headed Trump’s invasions of US cities (Bovino) joined the US and European far right in Portugal to preach “remigration”—a plan to expel all minorities and immigrants.

https://www.wired.com/story/greg-bovino-was-the-star-at-a-european-remigration-conference/

After teasing a presidential bid, Greg Bovino joined a white nationalist’s podcast

https://www.ms.now/news/greg-bovino-white-nationalist-podcast-kevin-deanna

From my miniseries on Sam Harris [Woking Up]:

Ep 1 focuses on his views on race and racism in policing https://open.spotify.com/episode/0v1VYmWKx6dgT5GEdL2OpK?si=JyGf6zQESsaWrtcLXPXllQ&utm_source=copy-link

Ep 4 of Woking Up discusses Sam Harris’ post Jan 6 bothsidesing, and racism denial https://open.spotify.com/episode/420oTb5Eh7GVjRjGnJY5fA?si=VskaAYgfQp2FQpmorOBPrA&utm_source=copy-link

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