In this episode we're joined by Emma Higgins from the Bath, North East Somerset, Swindon and Wiltshire (BSW) Integrated Care Board. BSW were on wave two of the NHS England Population Health Management (PHM) development programme and they talk to us about their journey, their plans to make PHM business as usual and how are they planning to scale and sustain the learning they took from our programme. Audio transcript is on the PHM Academy on Future NHS