How can the church move forward with honesty, vulnerability, and healing when leadership fails or fractures arise within the community? Bonnie and Tim open this deeply honest episode with licensed therapist Elise Snipes, entering into what they call both a conversation and a process—a safe space for grief, anger, grace, and renewal. This marks a journey into how we, as the church, respond when our spiritual communities are shaken.

Listeners are guided through a powerful, therapeutic framework designed to help navigate the emotional impact of last week’s news surrounding co-host Mike Erre. Elise leads a communal process of separating reactions into three containers—Mike’s story, your personal story, and the collective church story—offering clarity, compassion, and direction. If you’re carrying feelings of betrayal, anxiety, anger, guilt, or confusion, this episode creates space for you to be exactly where you are while equipping you with language and tools to move toward healing.

Key Takeaways: • The Three Streams of Processing Pain – How to untangle what’s yours, what belongs to someone else, and what belongs to the larger community to gain clarity and respond with wisdom. • Shame vs. Conviction in the Church – Understanding the difference between healthy self-awareness and destructive shame that isolates and paralyzes us within Christian culture. • The Church’s Martyr Complex and Pastor Pedestal Problem – How systemic pressures, sin management cultures, and purity culture create toxic expectations and unsafe environments. • The Need for Spiritual and Emotional Safety – Why the church needs to become a place where pastors and congregants alike can be human, honest, and held in their process. • Pathways Forward – The importance of rebuilding trust, naming triggers, and forming communities centered around healing, shared responsibility, and hope.

Guest Highlight: Elise Snipes – A licensed marriage and family therapist, creator of the Radical Wellness Collaborative, and host of the Trailercast podcast. Elise brings decades of experience rooted in holistic wellness, and offers Vox listeners a framework for understanding emotional responses, navigating systemic dysfunction, and reclaiming healing in community.

Resources Mentioned: • elisesnipes.com – Learn more about Elise's therapy and coaching work • radicalwellness.co – A collective of therapists, spiritual directors, and coaches available for online support • The Trailercast Podcast – Hosted by Elise, offering wisdom on emotional health and healing • Reach out to Vox at [email protected] to contribute local therapist referrals or join micro-communities

You are not alone in this process. Whether you’re grieving, confused, angry, numb, or hopeful, this conversation is for all of us journeying toward restoration and truth. Let’s keep rebuilding together. Subscribe, leave a rating, and join the conversation on Instagram or Facebook.

As always, we encourage and welcome discussion as we pursue deeper wholeness together.

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We love you, Vox community. Keep leaning in—together.



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