In this episode, Joe interviews Steve Rio: psychedelic guide, performance and transformation coach, musician, and co-founder of Enfold, a retreat center in BC, Canada.

While Enfold caters each experience to each client, they largely work with 5-MeO-DMT (which is unregulated in Canada); partly because of its power, and partly because Rio realized how much was missing in terms of safety and process when using the substance. They are trying to fill in the gaps, working with the University Health Network Centre for Mental Health to analyze measurements of mindfulness, DAS tests, the Brief Inventory of Thriving survey, and language used when describing experiences to collect as much qualitative data as possible. He discusses their screening process, why they work with synthetic 5-MeO-DMT, why they encourage everyone to go to a group session, and how 5-MeO seems to bypass psychological processes and largely be related to somatic release.

He talks about:

• The power of 5-MeO and being humble and honest with yourself: Are you stable enough to handle the dysregulation?
• 5-MeO bad actors and 'Drive-by 5' people who show up, do the drug, and leave
• The plight of Sonoran Dessert toads and the need for more data around their declining populations
• How 5-MeO seems to connect people with a higher power, and the need for the experiencer to find their own context for it
• The importance of creating a clean and open container for spirituality and meeting the client where they are

and more!

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