In this episode, Joe interviews Ariel Clark: Anishinaabe attorney and co-founder of the Psychedelic Bar Association, a national association of lawyers involved in the highly-regulated ecosystem of psychedelic law.

She talks about ethics: How do the different societal norms of each lineage we carry interact with each other? What is the cultural framing that informs those ways of knowing, and do we align with it? Is there a code of ethics we can all agree on? As the rush to legalize psychedelics increases, Clark finds herself at a crossroads of wondering if our actions are really of service to the greater good: Can the overculture legalize psychedelics effectively, while doing less harm to Indigenous culture and the medicines themselves?

She discusses:

• The challenges of working in psychedelic law with all of the other factors at play: How do you ethically support a client?
• The idea that these medicines can have agency – even the synthetic ones
• Shifting from a Western mind state of "what are my rights?" to an Indigenous frame of: "What are my responsibilities?"
• Her story of healing from debilitating back pain with psychedelics and spiritual alignment
• The need for public education to be at the center of future legislation attempts

and more!

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