If you're longing for a life of more freedom, more feeling and more fulfilment, the answer could sound like a very average rendition of your favourite song...

Astrid Jorgensen (OAM) is a conductor, composer and the founder and director of Pub Choir - a special kind of show that, under Astrid's guidance, sees thousands of strangers singing together in perfect harmony, all in under an hour. 

In this conversation, Astrid and Osher cover:

• What we truly gain by relinquishing perfectionism
• The immense benefit of being connected to others
• Why artistic expression is for all of us

And much more.

Pub Choir shows are happening near you SOON! Check here for details

For more from Osher, including tickets to Story Club and for his new book 'So What, Now What?' head here

This conversation contains references to disordered eating - for information and support, visit butterfly.org.au

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