Queer Theology

By Queer Theology / Brian G. Murphy & Shannon T.L. KearnsReligion & Spirituality Christianity

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February 02, 2025The Sex and Spirit Connection
We’re back to explore the intricate relationship between spirituality and sexuality! We share our personal journeys, societal challenges, and the importance of integrating these aspects of identity to reframe how to view sexuality. We also delve into the complexities of desire, agency, and the political implications of sexual oppression. Shame and desire intertwine within theological contexts, which makes it all the more important to integrate one’s faith with their sexual identity and experiences. There is an unmistakable sacredness to sexuality and it can lead to transcendent experiences.

Takeaways
Sexuality and spirituality can be integrated for deeper insights.
The journey of understanding one’s sexuality is often fraught with challenges.
Desire is often suppressed by societal and religious narratives.
Governments target sexual minorities to maintain control.
Personal sexual healing is a form of political resistance.
Communication about desires is crucial in relationships.
Vulnerability is necessary for authentic connections.
Queer joy and pleasure are vital, even in difficult times.
The work on self can enhance community organizing efforts.
Celebrating sexual autonomy is both personal and communal.
The work of unhooking from shame is often theological.
Desire and shame are deeply intertwined with spirituality.
Our beliefs about bodies and sexuality shape our ethics.
Integration of theology and ethics is crucial for a fulfilling life.
Sexuality can be a pathway to experiencing the divine.
The Bible contains rich sexual language that reflects divine relationships.
Transcendence can be found in intimate connections with others.
Experiences of sexuality can be sacred and holy.
First sexual experiences can be meaningful in various ways.
Gratitude for past experiences can lead to healing.

Chapters
(02:49) The Journey of Integrating Sexuality and Spirituality
(06:00) Desire, Agency, and Control
(08:52) Political Implications of Sexuality
(11:55) Communication and Vulnerability in Relationships
(15:11) The Intersection of Queerness and Spirituality
(17:00) The Intersection of Sex, Shame, and Spirituality
(19:52) Theological Contexts and Personal Experiences
(25:47) Sexuality as a Path to Transcendence
(30:04) Closing Reflections and Prayer

Resources:
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29 min
January 26, 2025The Danger of Shallow Forgiveness an interview with Kaya Oakes
We’re happy to welcome return guest Kaya Oakes back to the podcast for this episode to talk about her new book, “Not So Sorry: Abusers, False Apologies, and the Limits of Forgiveness.” Kaya Oakes is a journalist and author of six books. Her essays and journalism have appeared in many publications. She is also a faculty member in the College Writing Programs at UC Berkeley, where she teaches creative nonfiction, composition, and research writing. In this conversation, Kaya Oakes discusses her multifaceted identity as a teacher, writer, and cancer survivor, while exploring themes of forgiveness, the writing process, and the complexities of social justice. She delves into the nuances of apologies, the importance of empathy, and the often weaponized nature of forgiveness in queer and trans communities. Kaya also shares insights from her new book, emphasizing the need for specificity in apologies and the interconnectedness of forgiveness, repentance, and reparations.

Takeaways
Kaya Oakes identifies as a teacher and writer with a focus on gender and health.
Her writing is often driven by personal obsessions and societal issues.
The writing process for Kaya is spontaneous and research-driven, often starting with a question.
Research is woven into the writing process, helping to answer complex questions.
Forgiveness can be weaponized, especially in queer and trans communities.
A good apology requires specificity and acknowledgment of harm done.
Empathy is crucial for genuine forgiveness and understanding.
Theological insights reveal that forgiveness is often oversimplified in Christian contexts.
Forgiveness, repentance, and reparations are interconnected but often misunderstood.
Finding joy in small things, like pets, can be a source of comfort.

Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background of Kaya Oakes
03:00 Writing Process and Creative Obsessions
05:59 Research and Writing Balance
08:56 Exploring the Theme of Forgiveness
11:58 The Complexity of Forgiveness in Queer and Trans Communities
15:05 Understanding Apologies and Their Impact
17:56 The Role of Empathy in Forgiveness
20:54 Theological Insights on Forgiveness
23:56 Untangling Forgiveness, Repentance, and Reparations
26:54 The Importance of Specificity in Apologies
29:57 Finding Joy in Everyday Life

Resources:
Previous episodes with Kaya Oakes:
The Nones Are All Right: an Interview with Kaya Oakes
The Defiant Middle with Kaya Oakes
Interview episode with Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg: Growing Up Suburban Jewish and Finding Your Faith
Not So Sorry: Abusers, False Apologies, and the Limits of Forgiveness by Kaya Oakes
Learn more about Kaya at https://www.oakestown.org/
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39 min
January 19, 2025Shame-Sex Attraction with Lucas Wilson
We are joined by author Lucas Wilson for this podcast episode to talk about his journey from being a former evangelical to a queer academic. Dr. Lucas Wilson is a SSHRC Postdoctoral Fellow at University of Toronto Mississauga, formerly the Justice, Equity, and Transformation Postdoctoral Fellow at University of Calgary. He is the editor of Shame-Sex Attraction: Survivors’ Stories of Conversion Therapy. He is currently working on two interrelated monograph projects that examine evangelical homophobia and transphobia in the U.S. discussing the intertwining of his faith and queer identity. In this conversation, he delves into the history and reality of conversion therapy, emphasizing the ongoing struggles faced by survivors. Lucas also reflects on the motivation behind his book, contrasting his academic work with personal narratives, and highlights common themes such as shame and secrecy in the stories of conversion therapy survivors. Our discussion aims to raise awareness about the continued existence of conversion therapy practices, despite legal prohibitions. Lucas also highlights the importance of sharing queer stories and finding hope beyond the struggles faced in high-control religious environments.

Takeaways
Luke identifies as an ex-vangelical and conversion therapy survivor.
His academic work focuses on queer history and the New Christian Right.
Conversion therapy is often misunderstood as only occurring in specific settings.
The term ‘conversion practices’ encompasses a broader range of experiences.
Many queer individuals have undergone some form of conversion practices.
Shame is a central theme in the experiences of conversion therapy survivors.
Secrecy and silence are prevalent in the narratives of those affected.
Luke’s book aims to shed light on the ongoing reality of conversion therapy.
The collection includes diverse stories from various queer identities.
Despite legal bans, conversion therapy practices continue to exist underground. Conversion therapy is a complex issue with many personal stories.
Shame can persist even after leaving high-control religious groups.
Academia can provide a space for critical thinking and self-discovery.
Understanding Christian theology is essential to grasping US politics.
The influence of evangelicalism on contemporary issues is significant.
Stories of conversion therapy survivors often highlight resilience and hope.
Not all stories have neat, happy endings; discomfort is part of the journey.
Community support is crucial for those recovering from conversion therapy.
Future projects aim to amplify queer voices and experiences.
Personal joy can be found in simple pleasures, like enjoying grapes.

Chapters
(02:27) Faith and Queer Identity Intertwined
(08:42) Understanding Conversion Therapy
(12:51) The Motivation Behind the Book
(15:30) Contrasting Academic and Personal Narratives
(17:49) Common Themes in Conversion Therapy Stories
(22:08) The Ongoing Reality of Conversion Therapy
(23:07) The Impact of Conversion Therapy
(25:37) Shame and Self-Reflection
(26:07) Academic Awakening and Relearning
(30:20) The Role of Christian Theology in History
(31:52) Understanding Evangelical Influence on Politics
(38:41) Finding Hope Beyond Conversion Therapy
(43:27) Future Projects and Community Engagement

Resources:
Follow Lucas on social media:
IG: @lukeslamdunkwilson
Threads: @lukeslamdunkwilson
X/Twitter: @wilson_fw
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucas-wilson-2a0753b1/
TikTok: @lukeslamdunkwilson
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/luke.wilson.96
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51 min
January 12, 2025Taking Another Look at Paul: An Interview with John Dominic Crossan
We’re excited to have return guest, John Dominic Crossan, on the pod this week to talk about his new book, “Paul the Pharisee: A Vision Beyond the Violence of Civilization.” We discuss the importance of matrix as a tool for understanding the context and background of texts and why that is so important when we look at Paul. Crossan emphasizes the role of metaphor in shaping our lives and how dismissing metaphor as less than literal impacts our theology. He explores the differences between ascension and resurrection and why they matter. He talks about how his book explores this distinction between ascension and resurrection, emphasizing the importance of focusing on the community of the human race rather than privileged individuals.

Takeaways
Understanding the context and background of texts is crucial for interpreting and applying ancient documents to new situations.
Paul’s significance and importance can be better understood by placing him in the historical and cultural context of the Roman Empire.
Metaphor plays a powerful role in shaping our lives and creating reality. It is important to be aware of the metaphors we live by and their implications.
Ascension and resurrection are two different concepts. Ascension is about special privilege for an individual, while resurrection is about the liberation of the human race from death.
The Easter images in Western and Eastern Christian traditions depict different understandings of resurrection, with the Eastern tradition emphasizing the liberation of the human race. The focus should be on the community of the human race rather than privileged individuals.
The evangelical conception of salvation should shift towards caring for the world and recognizing the role of evolution in running the world.
Paul’s belief in resurrection shaped the behavior and community of early Christians.
Reading Paul in the context of Roman imperial theology and studying Virgil’s Aeneid can provide a better understanding of the New Testament.
Paul’s vision of cosmic justice and the implications of evolution are relevant for our world today.

Chapters
(04:03) Reevaluating Paul: Importance and Significance
(11:14) The Power of Metaphor in Shaping Reality
(14:37) Ascension vs. Resurrection: Different Concepts
(24:28) Easter Images: Western and Eastern Perspectives
(29:18) Focusing on the Community of the Human Race
(30:28) Challenging the Evangelical Conception of Salvation
(31:31) Recognizing the Role of Evolution in Running the World
(33:47) Taking Responsibility for the World
(35:12) Paul’s Vision of Resurrection and Cosmic Justice
(44:52) Understanding Paul in the Context of Roman Imperial Theology
(52:39) The Relevance of Paul’s Vision of Cosmic Justice and Evolution

Resources:
Paul the Pharisee: A Vision Beyond the Violence of Civilization by John Dominic Crossan
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58 min
January 05, 2025Heading to the UnYeshiva with Judaism UnBound
A while back, we sat down with the hosts of the podcast, Judaism Unbound. So for this episode, we’re sharing that interview with y’all! In this interview, we talk about how to queer theology, share some of our favorite bible stories and discuss how to do this work well. We also touch on how other theologies, religions, and faith practices can enrich and impact our lives in a deeply meaningful way.

Resources:
Learn more and join the course https://www.judaismunbound.com/2025-courses/p/queering-theology
Listen to the Judaism Unbound podcast.
Join the Sanctuary Collective Community

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1 hr
December 29, 2024Exploring Spirituality Through Storytelling with Marques Hollie
Brian interviews Marques Hollie for this episode of the podcast. Marques Hollie (they/he), is an operatically-trained vocalist, ritual leader, and theatre-maker, who has been telling and singing stories for as long he can remember. Following a course of study in homiletics, liturgy, Torah exegesis, and the canon of Jewish stories, Marques received ordination as a Maggid (sacred storyteller). Currently, he is a student at the Reconstructionist Rabbinical College. Marques shares his journey as a queer clergy person who intertwines storytelling with spirituality. They discuss their experiences of coming out, exploration of faith, and how these elements have shaped their identity. We delve into the power of personal narratives, the significance of storytelling in understanding sacred texts, and the broader implications of these stories in personal transformation and community connection.

Takeaways
Marques identifies as a queer clergy person who merges storytelling and music.
The journey of queerness and faith is deeply intertwined for Marques.
Storytelling can reveal deeper meanings in sacred texts.
Personal narratives allow individuals to see themselves in larger stories.
Queer sacred storytelling offers unique perspectives on tradition.
The process of conversion to Judaism can be lengthy and reflective.
Storytelling is a powerful tool for personal transformation.
Everyone lives within their own stories, regardless of profession.
Understanding the agendas behind texts can reshape our interpretations.
Connection to sacred texts can be found through personal experiences. Midrash offers a possibility for diverse interpretations.
Storytelling is a powerful tool for connection and education.
Claiming one’s identity can transform personal and professional paths.
The journey to becoming a rabbi can be unexpected and profound.
Interfaith relationships challenge traditional boundaries in Judaism.
Jewish leadership is evolving to be more inclusive.
Creative energy thrives in liminal spaces of transition.
Engaging with art and literature can deepen spiritual understanding.
The importance of community in navigating personal journeys.
Finding joy in simple pleasures can be a source of strength.

Chapters
(02:58) The Journey of Queerness and Faith
(05:57) Exploring the Intersection of Storytelling and Spirituality
(09:03) The Power of Personal Narratives
(11:58) Queer Sacred Storytelling and Its Impact
(15:02) Finding Connection in Sacred Texts
(18:01) The Role of Storytelling in Personal Transformation
(20:54) The Broader Implications of Storytelling
(23:58) Conclusion and Reflections on Storytelling
(31:03) Exploring Midrash and Queer Perspectives
(32:40) The Art of Storytelling in Jewish Tradition
(35:14) The Journey to Rabbinical Identity
(39:58) Navigating Interfaith Relationships and Rabbinical School
(45:05) The Evolution of Jewish Leadership
(49:45) Finding Joy in Liminal Spaces and Creative Energy

Resources:
Learn more about Marques Hollie at https://www.marqueshollie.com/
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1 hr 3 min
December 22, 2024Imagining New Worlds an interview with Eliot Schrefer
In this conversation, we speak with author, Eliot Schrefer, about his journey as a writer. We discuss his identity, influences, and the importance of queer representation in literature. He delves into his latest book, ‘The Brightness Between Us,’ and reflects on the creative process of adapting stories for film. Eliot emphasizes the significance of storytelling in providing hope and connection for LGBTQ+ youth, while also expressing his determination to keep producing this much needed content in the face of pushback from groups that want to ban books.

Takeaways
Eliot’s journey to writing was influenced by his mother’s struggles as a writer.
He discovered his passion for writing later in life after realizing it was his true calling.
Young adult literature often lacked representation of LGBTQ+ experiences during Eliot’s youth.
Eliot’s latest book explores themes of love and identity in a sci-fi setting.
The creative process involves drawing inspiration from various sources while creating something original.
Queer representation in literature is crucial for the mental health of LGBTQ+ youth.
Eliot’s work has been positively received, with a growing demand for LGBTQ+ narratives.
The adaptation of his book into a film is an exciting opportunity for broader reach.
Eliot believes in the power of stories to provide hope and connection.
He continues to be inspired by the need for inclusive narratives in today’s world.

Chapters
(00:00) Introduction to Eliot and His Journey
(02:57) Eliot’s Path to Becoming a Writer
(06:01) Influences and Inspirations in Young Adult Literature
(09:05) Exploring Eliot’s Latest Book: *The Darkness Outside*
(12:05) The Creative Process: From Inspiration to Storytelling
(14:53) The Importance of Queer Representation in Literature
(17:48) Adapting Books for Film: The Journey Ahead
(20:46) Finding Joy and Inspiration in Writing
(24:05) Closing Thoughts and Future Connections

Resources:
Preorder The Brightness Between Us by Eliot Schrefer
Learn more about Eliot Schrefer at https://www.eliotschrefer.com/
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30 min
December 15, 2024Queer Affirming Therapy an interview with Ann Russo
We’re joined by Ann Russo, a queer therapist, who shares her journey of growing up in a queer household and navigating the complexities of identity, religion, and acceptance. She discusses the challenges faced by LGBTQ individuals in religious spaces, the importance of support systems, and the impact of religious trauma. Ann emphasizes the need for therapists to be transparent and knowledgeable about LGBTQ issues and offers insights into finding the right therapist. Our conversation highlights stories of transformation and the significance of intergenerational relationships within the queer community.

Takeaways
Ann Russo identifies as a queer therapist passionate about the intersection of identity, trauma, and spirituality.
Growing up in a queer household in the 80s was challenging due to societal prejudice and fear of violence.
Ann initially resisted her queerness, wanting to ‘pray the gay away’ until she embraced her identity in high school.
Religion was not a positive force in Ann’s upbringing, leading to curiosity about its teachings later in life.
Ann immersed herself in conservative Christian spaces to understand the messaging against LGBTQ individuals.
The transition from fear to acceptance involved social justice activism and creating safe spaces for LGBTQ youth.
Religious trauma can create barriers for LGBTQ individuals seeking acceptance in progressive religious spaces.
Support systems, including chosen family and older queer mentors, are crucial for healing and acceptance.
Finding a therapist who understands the intersection of queerness and religion is essential for LGBTQ individuals.
Transformation stories highlight the resilience of LGBTQ individuals and the importance of community support.

Chapters
(00:00) Introduction to Queer Identity and Therapy
(03:02) Growing Up in a Queer Household
(05:47) The Intersection of Religion and Queerness
(09:01) Navigating Religious Spaces as a Queer Person
(12:00) Transitioning from Fear to Acceptance
(15:03) Understanding Religious Trauma
(17:54) The Importance of Support Systems
(21:13) Finding a Therapist for LGBTQ Issues
(23:56) Stories of Transformation
(27:10) The Role of Intergenerational Relationships
(30:06) Closing Thoughts and Resources

Resources:
Learn more about Ann Russo’s work at https://www.annrusso.org/
Accessible therapy at https://www.amrtherapy.com/
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44 min
December 08, 2024The Importance of Visibility An Interview with Chris Tompkins
In this interview, author, advocate, and therapist Chris Tompkins shares his personal journey of self-discovery as a gay man raised in a religious environment. He discusses the challenges of reconciling his identity with his faith, the impact of religious trauma, and the importance of awareness in parenting to support LGBTQ+ children. Chris talks about why he wrote his book, “Raising LGBTQ Allies,” and emphasizes the need for open conversations and practical strategies for parents to create a supportive environment for their kids, ultimately leading to a more inclusive society.

Takeaways
Chris was raised in a religious family with conflicting beliefs.
He experienced religious trauma and internalized homophobia.
His coming out journey was deeply intertwined with love and acceptance.
Chris emphasizes the importance of awareness in parenting.
Parents can inadvertently perpetuate fear-based associations.
Books and open conversations can help educate children.
Creating safe spaces for discussions is crucial.
Understanding societal messages is key to supporting LGBTQ+ kids.
Chris’s book aims to help parents change harmful narratives.
Healing from religious trauma is a journey that requires introspection.

Chapters
(02:40) Chris’s Journey of Self-Discovery
(10:13) Reconnecting with Faith and Spirituality
(16:32) Understanding Religious Trauma
(22:30) The Importance of Awareness in Parenting
(27:54) Supporting LGBTQ+ Kids: Practical Strategies
(35:00) Conclusion and Resources

Resources:
Learn more at https://www.aroadtriptolove.com/
Raising LGBTQ Allies: A Parent’s Guide to Changing the Messages from the Playground by Chris Tompkins
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40 min
December 01, 2024The Cool Christians an Interview Jeff Hiller (Somebody Somewhere)
We’re kicking off our winter guest series with an interview with Jeff Hiller, a hilarious actor and comedian in NYC, best known for his role as Joel in the Peabody Award-winning HBO show ‘Somebody Somewhere.’ If you haven’t watched this show yet, be sure to check it out! In this conversation, Jeff Hiller discusses his role in the show, exploring themes of authenticity, community, and the intersection of queerness and faith. Jeff reflects on his character Joel, who navigates life in a small town while fostering connections and grappling with personal ethics. We talk about the evolution of queer representation in media and the importance of finding joy in everyday moments.

Takeaways
‘Somebody Somewhere’ is about authenticity and real life.
Joel’s character reflects the complexities of queerness in small towns.
Faith in the show is portrayed as a source of community, not oppression.
The journey of faith for Joel is more about ethics than belief.
Jeff’s personal experiences shaped his understanding of community and queerness.
The representation of queer characters has evolved significantly in media.
There is a need for more diverse queer representation on screen.
Joy can be found in simple, everyday moments.
The show challenges traditional portrayals of faith and queerness.
Community and kindness are central themes in both the show and Jeff’s life.

Chapters
(00:00) Introduction to Jeff Hiller and Somebody Somewhere
(02:49) Exploring Joel’s Character and Authenticity
(06:03) Faith, Community, and Queerness in Small Towns
(09:03) The Journey of Faith and Ethics
(11:59) Personal Experiences with Queerness and Community
(15:03) The Evolution of Queer Representation on Screen
(18:03) Joy in Everyday Life and Closing Thoughts

Resources:
Follow Jeff on IG @boomboomhiller
Watch Season 3 of Somebody Somewhere on HBO
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25 min

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The longest running podcast for and by LGBTQ Christians and other queer people of faith and spiritual seeker. Hosted by Fr. Shannon TL Kearns, a transgender Christian priest and Brian G. Murphy, a…