Real Talk with Leigh Brown

What happens when two of real estate's most outspoken truth-tellers stop tiptoeing and start saying the quiet part out loud? Buckle up. Leigh Brown and Rob Hahn dive into the conversations the industry avoids—crime, public safety, fair housing realities, failing cities, the MLS shake-up, and what it really means to be a REALTOR® in a post-settlement era. This crossover episode from Under All Is The Land is raw, unfiltered, and guaranteed to challenge the way you think about your role, your industry, and your duty to the communities you serve. If you care about the future of real estate—or the future of your city—this is the episode you share. 👉 Enjoy the full conversation right here on Real Talk, and then make sure you subscribe to @UnderAllPodcast so you don't miss the bold, uncensored episodes Leigh and Rob release next.

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Key Moments You Don't Want to Miss

• Why REALTORS® MUST talk about crime and how silence harms communities
• Is REALTOR® a calling or a commodity?
• The hard truth about MLS access, value, and what comes next
• What the Fair Housing Act really protects and what it doesn't
• Why advocacy has to mean more than taxes and 1031s
• How patriotism, professionalism, and community protection collide in today's market

Resources mentioned in this episode

• The Code of Ethics
• Undercover investigation reveals evidence of unequal treatment by Long Island real estate agents - Newsday
• Civil Rights Division | The Fair Housing Act

About Rob Hahn

Rob focuses on Associations, Multiple Listing Services, and Technology. With a profound love for the real estate industry, Rob has been challenging the status quo and empowering companies to operate beyond ordinary commerce.

Follow Rob

• YouTube: Under All Is The Land
• X: @robhahn

Connect with Leigh

Please subscribe to this podcast on your favorite podcast app at https://pod.link/1153262163, and never miss a beat from Leigh by visiting https://leighbrown.com. DM Leigh Brown on Instagram @ LeighThomasBrown.

Estate planning isn't just about money, it's about protecting the people you love. In this episode, we sit down with Atty. Lin Wang for a candid conversation about what really happens when families don't plan ahead. From trusts and guardianship to the hidden costs of probate, you'll walk away with questions you didn't know you needed to ask. Listen in to uncover what's at stake and what you can still do about it.

Key takeaways to listen for

• Reasons probate can be more costly than most people realize
• What really drives family conflict after someone dies
• The key difference between revocable and irrevocable trusts
• How trusts can protect your assets from lawsuits or creditors
• Why naming a guardian for your kids is one of the most urgent decisions you can make

About Atty. Lin Wang

Atty. Lin is an experienced attorney specializing in asset planning, including trusts and wills. With over seven years of practice, she works at a law firm licensed in 24 states, providing expert guidance on estate planning, probate avoidance, and asset protection. She is dedicated to helping clients navigate complex family and legal situations, ensuring their assets are managed and transferred according to their wishes with privacy and efficiency.

Connect with Atty. Lin

• Email: [email protected]
• Contact Number: 612-231-2060

Connect with Leigh

Please subscribe to this podcast on your favorite podcast app at https://pod.link/1153262163, and never miss a beat from Leigh by visiting https://leighbrown.com. DM Leigh Brown on Instagram @ LeighThomasBrown.

Mike Stubbs went to war at 18 and came back with medals, scars, and stories most never hear. In this episode, he opens up about a moment that changed his life and the decades-long mission that followed, plus we'll shed light on the parts of military service that don't make the history books. Listen in for a raw, real conversation that honors courage, connection, and the fight to be remembered.

Key takeaways to listen for

• What the Purple Heart really means
• Why Mike volunteered for Vietnam and what happened the day he was shot
• The story behind Mike's Silver Star and how it was nearly forgotten
• What it meant to serve as a tunnel rat in Vietnam
• Mike's out-of-body experience that changed everything

Resources mentioned in this episode

• Queen City Honor Flight
• VA Home Loans in 2025: Myths, Facts, and Game-Changing Updates with John Bell III
• Rebuilding Hope: How the VA Supports Veterans After Disasters – A Conversation with John Bell
• 364 - VA Home Loan with Executive Director, Mr. John Bell III
• June 17, 1967: The Battle of Xom Bo II by David J. Hearne

About Mike Stubbs

Mike is a highly decorated combat veteran of the Vietnam War, serving as a Machine Gunner and Tunnel Rat with the 2nd Battalion/28th Infantry/1st Infantry Division.

A committed veterans advocate, he currently serves as Commander of MOPH Combat Wounded Veterans Chapter 634 and is a Board Member for Queen City Honor Flight.

Stubbs' dedication has been recognized with significant honors, including the MOPH National Patriot of the Year (2014-2015) and induction into the North Carolina Military Veterans Hall of Fame Class of 2018. He continues to live the values learned in service by leading and supporting his fellow Veterans.

Connect with Leigh

Please subscribe to this podcast on your favorite podcast app at https://pod.link/1153262163, and never miss a beat from Leigh by visiting https://leighbrown.com. DM Leigh Brown on Instagram @ LeighThomasBrown.

Tara Mychelle doesn't just walk into homes, she listens to them. In this episode, she chats with us to share how intuition, empathy, and unseen energy can shape what happens in real estate. Tune in and you'll never look at a "stuck" listing the same way again!

Key takeaways to listen for

• How emotional energy can affect the sale of a home
• Why certain homes feel "off" and how to clear that energy
• The role of intuition in guiding both buyers and agents
• How Tara blends biotech and spiritual consulting in her practice
• What agents can do to help homeowners move forward emotionally

Resources mentioned in this episode

• Stonewall Jackson House | AMERICAN HERITAGE

About Tara Mychelle

Tara is the founder of Soul'd Spaces, a company that blends real estate expertise with energy alignment to help homes sell faster and feel more harmonious. With over 25 years in real estate and more than two decades of experience in energy work, Tara bridges the practical and spiritual sides of home transitions. Through Soul'd Spaces, she helps clients achieve alignment so their homes and lives move forward with intention and transformation.

Connect with Tara

• Website: Soul'd Spaces
• Podcast: Rooted & Rising: Stories of Transformation, Intuition, and Soul-Led Healing
• Instagram: @souldspaces
• Email: [email protected]

Connect with Leigh

Please subscribe to this podcast on your favorite podcast app at https://pod.link/1153262163, and never miss a beat from Leigh by visiting https://leighbrown.com. DM Leigh Brown on Instagram @ LeighThomasBrown.

What happens when a real estate investor turns AI strategist? From content to client care, Alejandra Teran chats with us to share how AI is already transforming the business. If you're wondering how to use AI without losing your voice (or your value), this conversation is your starting line.

Key takeaways to listen for

• Why agents who resist AI are about to fall behind
• What "training a GPT" actually means, and how it can save you hours every week
• Surprising ways AI is reshaping how buyers and sellers find and trust agents
• Common mistakes agents make with AI tools
• Real examples of how to use AI in real estate

Resources mentioned in this episode

• Perplexity
• ChatGPT

About Alejandra Teran

Alejandra is an AI advisor, digital transformation leader, and Salesforce expert with over 25 years of experience helping organizations leverage technology for growth and efficiency.

She empowers professionals to use AI as a superpower, saving time, boosting productivity, and scaling smarter through strategic consulting, training, and automation. Alejandra is also the founder of 10X Cloud Value, a Salesforce consultancy maximizing ROI, and an AI-powered eCommerce venture.

Connect with Alejandra

• Website: Chief AI Wiz
• LinkedIn: Alejandra T. - 10X Cloud Value
• TikTok: @chiefaiwiz
• Instagram: @chiefaiwiz
• YouTube: Alejandra Teran - Chief AI Wiz
• Email: [email protected]

Connect with Leigh

Please subscribe to this podcast on your favorite podcast app at https://pod.link/1153262163, and never miss a beat from Leigh by visiting https://leighbrown.com. DM Leigh Brown on Instagram @ LeighThomasBrown.

Travis Perry didn't just buy his first home at 21, he used it as a launchpad for something bigger. Rooted in faith, discipline, and community, his Hero Training philosophy is reshaping how we think about ownership and legacy. In this episode, we'll uncover the mindset behind building wealth with purpose and why it starts long before the closing table. Hit play to learn how real estate became the foundation for impact that lasts!

Key takeaways to listen for

• The unexpected lesson Travis learned from buying his first home at 21
• What "Hero Training" means and why it starts with discipline
• How faith and financial literacy work together to build legacy
• Why Travis teaches mentorship through action, not just advice
• The deeper reason real estate became his vehicle for purpose

Resources mentioned in this episode

• HERO TRAINING: THE POWER OF PERSPECTIVE by The Honorable Trab P
• THE POWER OF POSITION: FOOTBALL AND HERO TRAINING by Charles Perry, et. al.
• Cash App: Scan to Pay
• Kingdom Overflow Ministries

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About Travis Perry

Travis Perry, known as The Honorable Trab P., is an author, artist, teacher, and consultant who has spent over 26 years in leadership within the manufacturing industry. Alongside his career, he has built creative and educational platforms designed to inspire and empower communities.

Connect with Travis

• Instagram: @trabperry

Connect with Leigh

Please subscribe to this podcast on your favorite podcast app at https://pod.link/1153262163, and never miss a beat from Leigh by visiting https://leighbrown.com. DM Leigh Brown on Instagram @ LeighThomasBrown.

You think real estate in the U.S. is wild? Wait until you hear how it works in the UK. With sharp wit and zero fluff, Chris Webb unpacks what U.S. agents can learn from the UK model and why being "unscalable" might be your biggest advantage. Tune in for stories you won't believe and insights you didn't know you needed!

Key takeaways to listen for

• How real estate compensation works in the UK
• The surprising differences in mortgage approval between the US and UK
• How self-employed agents in the UK are disrupting the traditional model
• What it means to "make yourself unscalable" in an AI-driven world
• The power of thoughtful, unbranded gifts to drive referrals and loyalty

About Chris Webb

Chris is the founder of The Estate Agent Consultancy, specialising in helping UK estate agents grow their instructions, improve conversions, and command higher fees. With years of hands-on experience coaching agents, he shares proven strategies for business growth through training, consultancy, and speaking engagements.

Connect with Chris

• Website: The Estate Agent Consultancy
• Instagram: @estateagent.consultancy
• Facebook: Chris Webb
• YouTube: The Estate Agent Consultancy

Connect with Leigh

Please subscribe to this podcast on your favorite podcast app at https://pod.link/1153262163, and never miss a beat from Leigh by visiting https://leighbrown.com. DM Leigh Brown on Instagram @ LeighThomasBrown.

Gretchen Schmidt doesn't do real estate by the book, and that's exactly the point. She brings heart, humor, and clarity to situations most agents would avoid. From unexpected homes to emotional transitions, this episode reveals what it really takes to serve people when real estate gets personal. Tune in for stories that remind us why this work matters!

Key takeaways to listen for

• What it's like to list a home filled with parrots and shrunken heads
• Ways calling yourself a "facilitator" changes how clients respond
• The tools and hacks Gretchen uses to stay emotionally and mentally steady
• What most people miss about the emotional labor in real estate
• How to turn a "weird" property into a compelling story that sells

Resources mentioned in this episode

• HappyLight® Light Therapy Lamps | Verilux® Official Site

About Gretchen Schmidt

Gretchen has been in real estate for over 15 years, bringing a strong background in finance and operations to her work. Before entering real estate, she worked for Microsoft and various tech startups, as well as managing capital projects for the Mercer Island School District.

With expertise in data analysis and operational efficiency, Gretchen helps clients simplify the process of selling their homes and ensures they don't miss out on finding their dream property.

Connect with Gretchen

• Website: Gretchen Schmidt
• Facebook: Gretchen Schmidt
• LinkedIn: Gretchen Schmidt
• Instagram: @gretchen_schmidt_is_here
• YouTube: Gretchen Schmidt
• Email: [email protected]

Connect with Leigh

Please subscribe to this podcast on your favorite podcast app at https://pod.link/1153262163, and never miss a beat from Leigh by visiting https://leighbrown.com. DM Leigh Brown on Instagram @ LeighThomasBrown.

Corey Milner never set out to become a real estate investor, but one bold move changed everything. In this episode, she shares how life, marriage, and business collided on the road to building a lasting legacy. It's a story of structure, grit, and the kind of grace that keeps you going. Press play to hear how a teacher's mindset turned into a real estate game plan.

Key takeaways to listen for

• How one commercial property launched Corey's real estate journey
• Lessons from investing in restaurants and walking away
• Why lead chasing led to burnout and the need for structure
• The power of grace in marriage, motherhood, and business
• How pen-and-paper planning keeps Corey grounded and focused

About Corey Milner

Corey is a former educator turned real estate investor and entrepreneur. Alongside her husband, she's built a family-centered portfolio of commercial properties and residential investments while raising four kids and staying grounded in faith, structure, and grace. With over two decades of experience, Corey now mentors others on how to build wealth intentionally, without losing what matters most.

Connect with Corey

• Facebook: Corey Milner
• Instagram: @cmilnertherealtor
• Email: [email protected]

Connect with Leigh

Please subscribe to this podcast on your favorite podcast app at https://pod.link/1153262163, and never miss a beat from Leigh by visiting https://leighbrown.com. DM Leigh Brown on Instagram @ LeighThomasBrown.

Personal safety isn't just for law enforcement, it's essential for everyday life, too! In this episode, former Secret Service agent Scott Bryson joins us to share real-world tactics for staying safe on the job. With 25+ years of experience, Scott reveals how to think ahead, read danger, and stay in control. Listen in and learn how to protect yourself without living in fear.

Key takeaways to listen for

• The "triangle tactic" for loading groceries safely
• How to create a safety plan when meeting strangers for work
• Why distance is your best friend in any physical threat scenario
• How to read body language and spot red flags early
• Smart, simple tools you can carry for defense

Resources mentioned in this episode

• Identity Verification & Risk Assessment Tool For Real Estate

About Scott Bryson

Scott is a retired Secret Service agent with over 25 years in law enforcement, including local and federal service. He's the host of the Beyond the Service podcast and a passionate advocate for personal safety, especially for professionals in public-facing roles like real estate. With a direct, relatable style, Scott teaches others how to stay alert, assess risk, and walk away with confidence.

Connect with Scott

• Podcast: Scott Bryson: Beyond The Service Podcast
• Website: Scott Bryson Beyond The Service
• TikTok: @scottbrysonbts
• Instagram: @scottbrysonbts
• X: @scottbrysonbts
• YouTube: Scott Bryson: Beyond the Service

Connect with Leigh

Please subscribe to this podcast on your favorite podcast app at https://pod.link/1153262163, and never miss a beat from Leigh by visiting https://leighbrown.com. DM Leigh Brown on Instagram @ LeighThomasBrown.