Mike Erre and Tim Stafford engage in a transformative conversation with Dave Gibbons, exploring how embracing pain, acknowledging weakness, and leaning into the Holy Spirit can revolutionize our understanding of church, leadership, and cultural engagement. Dave shares his journey from leading a megachurch to pioneering new models of ministry that prioritize relationships, authenticity, and empowering others to pursue their unique callings.

Key Takeaways:

• Embracing Pain as a Gift – Understanding how processing pain can lead to growth, deeper connections, and genuine leadership rooted in empathy and compassion.

• Redefining Success in Ministry – Rethinking traditional metrics of success by focusing on developing people, fostering community action, and moving beyond physical buildings.

• Leaning into the Holy Spirit – Discussing the importance of spiritual intelligence and how the Holy Spirit guides us in navigating life's complexities and making impactful decisions.

• Engaging with the Marginalized – Exploring the call to love and learn from those on the fringes of society, including the homeless, refugees, and LGBTQ+ community.

• Cultivating a Posture of Curiosity and Learning – Encouraging leaders and individuals to remain curious, ask questions, and be open to changing perspectives in pursuit of authentic faith.

Guest Highlights:

Dave Gibbons – Pastor, author, and consultant known for his innovative approach to ministry and leadership. Dave shares insights from his experiences in global cities like Bangkok and his work with NewSong Church in Santa Ana, emphasizing the power of embracing weakness and prioritizing genuine relationships over traditional church models.

Resources Mentioned:

• Dave Gibbons on Instagram – @davekgibbons

• NewSong Church – newsong.net

• Voxology Podcast Patreon Series with Tim Gombis – patreon.com/voxology

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