How does the modern church get the theology of judgment wrong—and what does the Bible actually say about it? Mike, Tim, and Bonnie unpack the fear-driven narratives many Christians inherit, contrasting them with a richer, more relational and kingdom-centered understanding of judgment, eternal life, and salvation. Using John 3 and Jesus’s dialogue with Nicodemus as a launchpad, the team explores how concepts like heaven, hell, and accountability have been weaponized in much of Christian teaching—often to the detriment of genuine spiritual formation.

Drawing contrasts between judicial and relational frameworks of judgment, this episode wrestles with the crucial questions: What are we judged for? Who is judged most harshly—and why? And most importantly, how do we become the kind of people fit for the coming kingdom today?

Key Takeaways: • Judgment Is Now and Not Yet – Heaven and hell are both future realities and present choices. How we align with the kingdom today matters. • Sin as Self-Inflicted Judgment – Much of the Bible teaches that sin contains its own consequences, forming us into people either fit for new creation or resisting it. • Love, Not Fear – God's judgment is not about checking doctrinal boxes but about participating in a relationship that transforms us to love Him and others. • Leaders Are Accountable – Religious leaders face unique and intense judgment for misrepresenting or weaponizing the gospel, especially through fear or exclusion. • Eternal Life Begins Now – Borrowing from Jesus’s teaching in John 3, salvation isn't a ticket to heaven but the daily experience of new creation breaking into our lives.

Guest Highlights: No outside guest this week, but Bonnie leads a powerfully insightful conversation with Mike and Tim, bringing clarity, depth, and challenge to traditional views on salvation and discipline.

Resources Mentioned: • N.T. Wright – “Surprised by Hope” • Greg Boyd – “Cross Vision” • Preston Sprinkle – “Four Views on Hell” • Joshua Ryan Butler – “The Skeletons in God’s Closet” • Michael Wittmer – “Heaven is a Place on Earth” • Alan Hirsch – Commentary on heresy as “making a small thing the main thing”

Call to Action: If you've ever wrestled with questions about salvation, hell, or what judgment really means, this episode is a must-listen. Help others join the conversation—subscribe, leave a review, and share the episode. And email your thoughts or questions to [email protected]—we'd love to hear from you.

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