Jo Keppler is a familiar voice on the show and with this episode we welcome her back to help us unpack some core differences between Road and Trail Running - Jo being an accomplished ultra-distance trail runner herself, who trained for her very first Comrades Marathon this year.

We cover some interesting ground including the difference in intensity between road and trail and the importance of recovery and fuelling and how these strategies change for the different disciplines.

Jo takes as through the process of learning and unlearning both in life and running, she highlights the importance of gaining confidence through training and testing ones ability.

Hers is a story of many trials and triumphs and if you're looking for an episode that is equally inspiring, entertaining and packed with insight, you have come to the right place.

We hope you enjoy today's show and if you have any specific questions you'd like us to cover on the subject, you can reach us @makingarunner on IG.

Head over to www.jokeppler.com to learn more about Jo and her services as a running coach.