Sage-Based Wisdom

Jana and Bobby celebrate the aunties and culture keepers doing the work in Indian Country, revisit their childhood Disney obsessions, and dream up Indigenous fairy tales. Plus, they get real about accountability in our communities and help a Māori listener navigate the heartbreak of falling for a best friend.

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Hosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Bobby Dues Wilson (@bobbydues) 
Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)
Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)

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CW: This episode discusses sexual assault, domestic violence, violence against Indigenous women and Two-Spirit relatives, MMIP/MMIW, child abuse, murder, and other forms of gender-based violence.

In response to the ongoing #Cornell7 / #Cornell57 conversation, Jana and Bobby are joined by attorney, educator, and playwright Mary Kathryn Nagle for a rage-fueled breakdown about the violence Native women and relatives experience and the systems that continue to fail them. They trace the connections between colonization, boarding schools, sexual violence, media representation, tribal jurisdiction, VAWA, and the Missing and Murdered Indigenous People crisis. As always, believe and support survivors, hold perpetrators and leaders accountable, and find the people already doing this work in your own community and support them.

Resources for support, to learn, and to take action:
National Indigenous Women’s Resource Center - www.niwrc.org
Urban Indian Health Institute - www.uihi.org 

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Hosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Bobby Dues Wilson (@bobbydues) 
Guest: Mary Kathryn Nagle (@mknagle)
Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)
Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)

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Jana and Bobby talk about the chaos of working in the arts, old-school YouTube, awkward social interactions, and the questionable things they once did for free. They get into how to welcome someone into a conversation, what to do when you forget a name, embracing awkwardness instead of spiraling, and learning from kids who simply ask for what they need. Plus: Bobby gets ghosted by a park dad, penis vocabulary across Indian Country, toboggans and pajoggans, Rocky Point, border politics, AI doom, and advice for a listener dealing with racism in her own family.

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Hosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Bobby Dues Wilson (@bobbydues) 
Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)
Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)

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Jana and Bobby are joined by Mary Hollis Inboden (Kevin Can F**k Himself, The Righteous Gemstones) for a conversation about Arkansas and learning a Boston accent. Then, naturally, things spiral into Boyz II Men fart allegations, sharting at the Mall of America, whether kids still think farts are funny, and what it means if they don’t. Mary, Jana, and Bobby talk about trusting the people whose feedback actually matters, embracing embarrassment instead of letting it control you, and creating the work you want to see rather than waiting for someone else to give you permission. Plus: Mark Ruffalo’s neck, an Amazon beadwork confession, and a reminder to support the artists making things in your own community.

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Hosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Bobby Dues Wilson (@bobbydues) 
Guest: Mary Hollis Inboden (‪@maryhollisinboden)
Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)
Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)

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Jana and Bobby are joined by Beth Stelling (Rutherford Falls, Girl Daddy), getting sacred, silly, and deeply real as they remember Georgina Lightning, swap stories from their Rutherford Falls days, and somehow spiral into cat surgery, TIFF styling, Dayton tattoos, machetes, and the state of stand-up comedy. They also get into criticism, narcissism, learning how to take a note, and figuring out whose feedback is actually worth listening to. Then, they answer a listener’s question about how to support a friend through breast reduction surgery, with Jana sharing what helped during her own recovery and the gifts that can make those first few weeks a little easier.

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Hosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Bobby Dues Wilson (@bobbydues)
Guest: Beth Stelling (@bethstelling)
Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)
Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)

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Jana and Bobby are back, getting sacred, silly, and wildly off track as they ponder what happened when someone broke an ankle in the old days, talk Indigenous approaches to disability and community, mourn the emo poems lost to colonization, and somehow end up on birch bark porn. They also dive deep into dreams, premonitions, alternate dimensions, and the ways dreams can guide us through change. Then, they answer a listener’s question about crushes, mixed signals, getting left on read, and whether it’s better to play relationship chess or just be earnest and go for it.

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Hosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Bobby Dues Wilson (@bobbydues) 
Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)
Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)

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Jana welcomes friend Bobby Dues Wilson as Sage-Based Wisdom’s new interim co-host, and the two waste no time getting sacred, silly, and deeply off track. They swap stories from Tacoma, unpack Bobby’s adventures as an Indian stage dad, expose Brian’s questionable skateboarding skills, investigate Adam Driver’s alleged Native roots, and react to some truly unhinged Johnny Depp advice. Then, they answer a listener’s question about oversharing, social anxiety, and the dreaded vulnerability hangover.

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Hosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Bobby Dues Wilson (@bobbydues) 
Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)
Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)

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Jana and Brian unpack people-pleasing, older-sibling dynamics, and the comfort of knowing the women in your life will never let you go missing. They also debate manifestation versus actual goal-setting, explore improv and play as tools for imagining a bigger life, and discuss the emotional labor women often carry for the men around them. A listener asks how to go from “cute” to “hot.”

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Hosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Brian Bahe (@brian_bahe)
Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)
Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)

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Jana and Brian catch up from Tacoma and San Diego, unpack Jana’s new role, and celebrate the power of tribal investment, creative momentum, and little-brother energy. They also roast an awkward consent video, debate whether social media actually helps a career, and answer a listener’s question about outgrowing a longtime friendship, offering advice on recognizing when a relationship has run its course and whether it is kinder to be direct than to keep dropping hints.

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Hosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Brian Bahe (@brian_bahe)
Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)
Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)

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Jana and Brian are joined by drag performer Bohenne Arrow to discuss drag origins, shaved eyebrows, astrology, and becoming comfortable taking up space. Along the way, they debate affirmations, personality tests, red light therapy, and whether Brian should become Professor Hopscotch. A listener calls struggling with stage fright advice about trying improv, embracing vulnerability, and practicing being seen.

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Hosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Brian Bahe (@brian_bahe)
Guest: Bohenne Arreaux (@bohennearreaux)
Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)
Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)

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