What if your addiction to hustle is the very thing holding your business back?

In this episode, Bill unpacks the hidden addiction that plagues so many leaders: the need to feel busy. He explores how overworking, micromanaging, and always being “on” isn’t just unsustainable, but also a failure of effective leadership. Bill shares powerful stories of CEOs who broke the cycle and built stronger teams by stepping back, letting go, and empowering others to rise up to the occasion. 

Topics explored in this episode:

(0:10) The Hidden Costs of Busyness

*Being constantly busy feels productive, but it's actually a trap.

*Imagine a world where you could step back and things don’t fall apart.

(1:00) Case Study of a Fitness CEO

*A thriving business, healthy personal life, and empowered team; you can do it all by doing less.

*Why nudging, not rescuing, is the key to accountability and performance.

(3:15) The Output is More Important Than ‘Busy’

*Entrepreneurs love to glamorize their busyness, but true effectiveness is about results generated. 

(5:35) Let’s Take the Summer Off!

*Bill shares a story of how he restructured his company so he could take a month off and finally…relax! 

(6:15) Building a Team That Thinks for Itself

*Practical strategies for creating team ownership, like asking instead of solving.

*Stop solving problems for other people. 

*Train yourself out of the ‘fixer’ role. 

(8:10) From Founder to Scaler

*You can grow a business that thrives without you—and one you’re proud to sell (or keep).

Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.

Join Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop 

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Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth. 

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How can leaders connect their personal purpose with their company's mission?

In today’s episode, Bill talks with leadership coach Ben Renshaw about the importance of discovering your personal why. They also discuss how aligning personal and company purposes can lead to more meaningful leadership and a positive work environment.

Ben Renshaw is a former classical violinist turned leadership coach who’s all about helping people find what truly lights them up. He’s worked with top global brands and execs, all while keeping his focus on one big question: what’s your why?

Topics explored in this episode: 

(1:11) Discovering Your Why

- Ben shares his journey from classical music to personal development.

- Co-founded The Happiness Project in the skeptical UK of the 1990s.

(7:45) Building Real Connection

- Ben reflects on how different cultures respond to emotional authenticity.

- How a company’s purpose can cascade into personal leadership development.

(14:21) Transforming Leaders from the Inside Out

- A reluctant CFO discovers his purpose and transforms into a CEO.

- Tools like personal dashboards help measure purpose in action.

(23:44) Scaling Purpose 

- Purpose isn't just personal—it can energize entire organizations.

- Meaningful work improves performance and employee engagement.

(35:51) Designing Purposeful Cultures

- The ripple effect of purpose touches supply chains, governance, and government policy.

- Purposeful companies create traditions and symbols that inspire the next generation.

Thanks to Ben Renshaw for being on the show! 

Connect with Ben on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-renshaw/ 

Learn more about Ben: https://www.benrenshaw.com 

Get Ben’s book, How to be a CEO: https://amzn.to/42xlLxJ 

Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth. 

Join Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop 

Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall

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Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth. 

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What if your relentless hard work is actually costing your business more than it’s helping?

In this episode, Bill explores the hidden costs of overwork, particularly when leaders confuse effort with effectiveness. He shares a cautionary tale of a CEO who pushed too hard, micromanaged excessively, and ultimately failed—highlighting how unchecked hustle undermines both personal well-being and team performance. 

Topics explored in this episode: 

(0:42) The Hidden Price of Hustle

* Overwork has obvious personal costs, but its impact on the business is often overlooked.

(2:40) The CEO Who Couldn’t Let Go

* The story of a SaaS CEO who tried to control every part of the company, despite lacking expertise in many areas.

* A promising company failed due to leadership that was anxious and overreaching.

(5:27) From Hero to Enabler

* True success comes not from doing everything, but from rallying a capable team.

(6:38) The Real Cost of Doing It All

* Personal sacrifices become habitual and ultimately unsustainable.

* Overworking leaders limit their organization’s potential by suppressing ownership and innovation.

(8:30) Redesigning Leadership for Scale

* Leaders who are central to every decision become bottlenecks.

* Overworking doesn’t inspire teams—it demoralizes them.

* Evolving leadership is the key to scaling without personal burnout.

Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth. 

Join Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop 

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Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth. 

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How can leaders create social contracts that foster true team accountability and shared success?

In this episode, Bill and guest Keith Ferrazzi explore the importance of moving beyond traditional leadership towards a model of “teamship,” where teams hold themselves and each other accountable. Keith also shares insights about the power of vulnerability and candor, and practical exercises like the “stress test” to build high-performing teams. 

Keith Ferrazzi is a powerhouse thought leader and author who’s redefining how we connect and collaborate. His latest book is Never Lead Alone.

Topics explored in this episode: 

(02:27) From Networking to Vulnerability

* Vulnerability is the key to authentic relationships—even in business settings.

(06:08) Building Co-Elevating Teams

* The goal is not just psychological safety, but teams that push each other to succeed.

(10:37) Practices That Change Culture

* Teams need a social contract and regular “stress tests” to challenge each other productively.

* Keith’s early exposure to empowered teams in manufacturing shaped his view of leadership.

* Siloed work structures limit innovation and responsiveness in today’s fast-paced world.

(20:53) Candor with Compassion

* Candor must serve others’ success, not be used as a blunt instrument.

(34:29) Redesigning Work in an AI World

* Keith advocates for rethinking workflows from the ground up—not just slapping AI on top.

Thanks to Keith Ferrazzi for being on the show! 

Learn more about Keith: http://keithferrazzi.com

Get Keith’s book: Never Lead Alone: 10 Shifts from Leadership to Teamship: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0063412578/ 

Connect with Keith on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/keithferrazzi/ 

Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth. 

Join Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop 

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Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth. 

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What are the hidden costs of micromanaging and overworking on team morale and business outcomes?

This episode explores the main reasons why leaders often work too hard, including lack of trust, fear of failure, ego, habit, and being too busy to delegate. Bill argues that overworking is not a badge of honor but rather a sign of inadequate team building. 

Topics explored in this episode: 

(0:26) A Case Study in Micromanagement

* A new CEO's micromanaging during a company sale led to longer transition times and negative impacts on team morale. 

(2:54) The Five Reasons Why Leaders Overwork

* The five main reasons include lack of trust/perfectionism, fear of failure, ego/hero syndrome, habit (founder syndrome), and—you’ll have to listen to or watch the episode to find out the fifth! 

* Ego can drive leaders to seek out crises in which they can be the hero. 

(6:59) The Impact of Overworking

* Why overworking indicates a failure to build and empower a team. 

(8:22) Shifting Your Mindset

* Identifying the reasons for overworking is the first step toward changing those behaviors. 

(9:26) Creating a New “Why”

* Leaders can invent a new "why" to motivate themselves to adopt healthier work habits. 

* Coaching can help leaders shift their mindset and behaviors to build stronger teams and scale effectively.

Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth. 

Join Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop 

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Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth. 

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What does it really mean for people to feel like they matter in the workplace?

In this episode, Zach Mercurio unpacks why mattering is the missing piece in most workplace cultures and how leaders can foster it. He also explores how a sense of value and contribution drives engagement, innovation, and retention. 

Zach is on a mission to make work and life more meaningful. As an author, researcher, and speaker, he helps leaders create environments where people feel valued. 

Topics explored in this episode: 

(02:15) The Science of Mattering

* How mattering influences employee performance and well-being.

* Why recognition alone isn’t enough to make people feel valued.

(10:40) Workplace Disconnection

* The hidden costs of employees feeling like they don’t matter.

(18:55) The Role of Leaders in Creating Mattering

* Mattering shouldn’t be just an HR initiative—it’s a leadership responsibility.

(28:30) Purpose vs. Mattering

* Why having a sense of mattering is more foundational than purpose.

* Case studies of companies that have built cultures of mattering.

(47:20) Building a Mattering-Centric Culture

* The three key components of a workplace where people feel they matter.

Thanks to Zach Mercurio for being on the show! 

Learn more about Zach: https://www.zachmercurio.com/

Get Zach’s book: The Power of Mattering: How Leaders Can Create a Culture of Significance: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D8XMWCLJ 

Connect with Zach on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zachmercurio 

Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth. 

Join Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop 

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Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth. 

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What leadership habits can help your team take more ownership and solve their own problems? In other words, how can you step back in a way that actually makes your business stronger?

In this episode, Bill challenges the hustle culture myth and shares how stepping back, empowering your team, and embracing balance can actually strengthen your company.

Topics explored in this episode: 

(00:16) The Myth of Hustle Culture

* The real cost of hustle culture and why it can harm your company.

* Bill’s story of taking a month-long family trip to Italy while his business thrived.

(01:51) Leadership That Empowers, Not Micromanages

* The power of asking the right questions instead of providing immediate answers.

(04:17) Making Work More Fun 

* The benefits of hobbies and interests outside of work.

* How compartmentalizing time helps maintain balance.

(06:23) Embracing Challenges Without Unnecessary Suffering

* The key difference between unavoidable problems and optional suffering.

* Shifting your mindset to tackle obstacles without burnout.

(09:25) The Power of Support and Coaching

* Why you don’t have to figure everything out alone.

* Why being coachable and seeking support is key to sustainable success.

Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth. 

Join Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop 

Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall

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Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth. 

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How can anyone, regardless of their background, develop lasting confidence?

Confidence isn’t something you’re born with—it’s a skill you build, and Dr. Nate Zinsser has spent his career helping elite athletes, military leaders, and business professionals master it. In this episode, he shares lessons from his work with NFL star Eli Manning, Olympic athletes, and West Point cadets, revealing how anyone can develop unshakable self-belief.

Dr. Nate Zinsser is a mental performance coach, author The Confident Mind, and a longtime director at West Point’s Performance Psychology Program. 

Topics explored in this episode: 

(02:00) The Foundation of Confidence

- Why some people embrace coaching while others resist it.

(10:30) The Making of a Performance Psychologist

- How wrestling and martial arts shaped Nate’s approach to confidence.

(20:45) Training the Mind 

- How the military and top athletes develop mental resilience.

- The story of Olympic bobsledder Jill Bakken and her confidence breakthrough.

(30:20) The Eli Manning Mindset Shift

- How Eli Manning transformed from an uncertain quarterback to a Super Bowl MVP.

- The specific mental habits that made him a clutch performer.

- Why reframing struggles can lead to a breakthrough.

- The bus driver lesson: Changing your mind to change your day.

Thanks to Dr. Nate Zinsser for being on the show! 

Learn more about Nate on https://www.natezinsser.com and  https://www.linkedin.com/in/nate-zinsser-35349010/ 

Get Nate’s book, The Confident Mind: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1847942946/ 

Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth. 

Join Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop 

Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall

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Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth. 

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What are the two most important factors for scaling a business?

Scaling a business comes down to two key elements: focus and differentiation. Companies that maintain a clear customer and product focus while emphasizing what sets them apart are more likely to achieve sustainable growth. 

Topics Bill explores in this episode: 

(0:30) Two Critical Factors

- The importance of focus and differentiation in scaling a business.    

(4:47) Identifying Your Ideal Customer and Maintaining Focus

- Focusing on one primary customer type, even for large companies.    

- The importance of staying in your lane and not deviating from your focus.    

(5:59) Focusing on Core Products and Services

- The example of Steve Jobs' return to Apple and his focus on a simplified product matrix.    

- Identifying and focusing on the profitable, growth-oriented parts of your business.    

(7:15) Differentiating Your Business from Competitors

- Identifying your unique value proposition.    

- Not trying to be everything to everyone and instead focusing on your strengths.    

- Utilizing AI to analyze your company and competitors.    

- Gathering feedback from new employees, applicants, and customers to identify your differentiation.    

- Using customer language to articulate your differentiation.

Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth. 

Join Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop 

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Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth. 

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What are some practical ways that businesses can optimize their operations with AI?

Scaling a business is tough, but scaling by 300% while dealing with fraud and financial chaos is next-level challenging. In this episode, Gerard Murtagh shares how AI helped his company, MouldMen, navigate rapid growth, uncover fraud, and optimize operations. This conversation is packed with real-world AI applications, leadership lessons, and practical strategies for business owners looking to stay ahead.

Gerard Murtagh doesn’t do business the conventional way. From launching his first venture at 17 to flying across the world to learn mold remediation firsthand, he’s built his success on innovation, grit, and a whole lot of AI-powered problem-solving.

Topics explored in this episode: 

(2:00) The Unexpected Crisis

* Gerard discovers a staggering $1.4M in fraud and financial mismanagement.

(10:54) Turning to AI for Answers

* Using AI to analyze company financials and expose fraudulent expenses.

* Early AI wins convince Gerard to dig deeper into automation.

(19:23) Scaling Smarter with AI

* Using AI to replace manual admin processes while increasing efficiency.

(32:14) Overcoming Resistance to AI

* Working with employees who initially push back against automation, fearing job losses.

* A structured approach to AI integration. 

(49:41) The Future of AI in Business

* Why business owners should consider building a “data lake.”

* How AI will reshape customer interactions, from service to sales.

Thanks to Gerard Murtagh for being on the show! 

Learn more about Gerard: https://www.gerardmurtagh.com/bio 

Connect with Gerard on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerardmurtagh/ 

Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the Scaling Up Business podcast, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth. 

Join Bill in the Growth Navigator Coaching Program: https://ScalingCoach.com/workshop 

Bill on LinkedIn: https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/BillGall

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Visit https://ScalingUp.com to learn more about Verne Harnish, our team of Scaling Up Coaches, and the Scaling Up Performance Platform, which includes coaching, learning, software, and summit. We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail. We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around people, strategy, execution, and cash so that they can scale up successfully and beat the odds of business growth. 

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