There was a genuine if not tempered sense of optimism ahead of Gloucester's first league game of the season. But a youthful Saracens side were far too savvy and clinical leaving the Cherry and Whites with only a try bonus point.

We chat through our thoughts on the game, what went wrong, what might be the easy fixes and whether the optimism we all had was simply misplaced on this occasion or wildly delusional.

We also discuss why Jim's ears are bleeding in The Shed and why we all think we might scrape a couple of extra points away to Bristol on Friday.