In today's episode Julie and Sezer meet with the Co-editors of Pandemic as Systemic Flux which is a writing project within  Murmurations: Journal of Transformative Systemic Practice . The writing project has established and reflects a preoccupation with a need for the systemic practice community to feel ownership of our journals, to feel connected to the texts they read, and feel entitled to take up space with their writings.

We hear how the writing project came about and some of the stories that have driven the need for this important project to be created. 

Nana Bonsu is a Systemic Psychotherapist, social worker and head of clinical services at Richmond and Wandsworth councils in London and Marilena Karamatsouki is Psychologist and Systemic Family Therapist in Greece.