Catherine Renfro is an author, pastor’s wife, mom, and the National Director of Women’s Evangelism at the North American Mission Board. Catherine is the author of Hope, Hurt, and Healing: Experiencing Jesus in the Wake of Suicide, a book born out of profound loss.

Catherine shares the story of losing her brother to suicide and invites us into the aftermath—the grief and the questions she wrestled with. She speaks honestly about questioning God and navigating the long road toward healing.

Catherine has used her story to help others who are walking through similar loss. She walks us through how to better show up for friends and loved ones grieving the death of someone they love. This is a hope-filled conversation for anyone who has experienced lossand carries unanswered questions.

Catherine's Book, Hope, Hurt, and Healing: https://amzn.to/4hQ0jKf

Catherine’s Website: https://www.catherinerenfro.com/

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Follow the Chicola sisters on what should've been a normal evening for concert-going Jonas Brothers fans...but spiraled into a night of wreckless decisions, magical elves, and nearly being mauled by an angry mob.

Godspeed, SWEople.

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Kevan Chandler is an author, speaker, and the voice behind We Carry Kevan and The Hospitality of Need. Kevan lives with muscular atrophy, a rare neuromuscular disease. Through his writing and storytelling he invites people into a countercultural way of seeing need, dependence, and community, not as weakness, but as gift.

Kevan shares his story of growing up with muscular atrophy and how, over time, he’s learned that serving others and being served are not opposites—they’re intertwined. We talk about how our needs can become doorways into deeper relationships, the difference between simply asking for help and intentionally inviting people into our need, and how it’s possible to give and receive at the same time.

This conversation is thoughtful, challenging, and a reminder that vulnerability around our needs can lead to deeper connection with others.

The Hospitality of Need 

We Carry Kevan (Book)

We Carry Kevan Organization

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Matt and Emily return from Disney World, and pick up the flu on the way home. Kaitlin, Emily, and Caroline are moments away from seeing the Jonas Brothers. Emily watches the entirety of the Jonas Brothers yule log. Matt and Emily are attempting Christmas cards for the first time this year. The price stamps has gotten completely out of control.

Christian YouTube videos are convincing children that they’ll shrink if they forget to pray. Kaitlin develops an aggressive case of the hiccups. Jayce’s music class learns to play the “air recorder.” Kaitlin is glowing and beaming on her latest thyroid journey. Everyone goes off on the American healthcare system and the scam that is health insurance. After much deliberation, Kaitlin and Emily decide it's best to not get Botox…maybe.

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Melanie Shankle is a four-time New York Times bestselling author, speaker, and co-host of The Big Boo podcast. Known for blending humor with heartfelt honesty, Melanie has built a career on finding the holy in the everyday and inviting others to do the same.

Melanie opens up about her deeply complicated relationship with her mother and the ripple effects that shaped her own story. She shares how she had to confront her trauma head-on, not just to heal herself, but to become the steady, loving mother her daughter needed.

We also talk about walking with her daughter Caroline through the emotionally challenging times of high school, and what it looks like to parent with empathy.

Here Be Dragons: https://amzn.to/4a7UV3c

Melanie’s Website: https://thebigmamablog.com/

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The flu has officially taken down the entire Carpenter household, which means this week you’re blessed with the presence of youngest Chicola sister and Lorax fashion icon, Caroline. The topic of conversation? Food, food, and more food, followed by an interpretive children's book reading by Caroline. Hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving!

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Amy Duggar King is an author, entrepreneur, and television personality from TLC's 19 Kids and Counting. She grew up side-by-side with the Duggars, spent years inside the world the public only saw on TV, and has since become a bold advocate for healing, truth-telling, and breaking generational cycles.

We dive into Amy's book, Holy Disruptor, where she reveals the secrets, manipulation, and gaslighting she endured inside the Duggar world and in her own home. She talks honestly about being labeled “Crazy Cousin Amy,” the trauma she carried off-camera, and what it took to finally step into freedom.

Amy opens up about her relationship with her grandfather, an emotionally abusive father, and what life was really like on the show. She shares what it was like to live through the fallout of her cousin Josh’s scandals and arrest, the pressure to stay silent, and the cost of finally using her own voice.

Most powerfully, Amy shares how she has held onto Jesus through everything. How she rebuilt her faith after being hurt by Christians, and why disrupting deception can be a deeply holy act.

Holy Disruptor: https://amzn.to/48eynwu

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Scott is sick...yet again. Life in Panther Valley? A nightmare. Last week we lost power. This week we lost water. Thankfully, Scott's inner doomsday prepper finally pays off.

A mail truck spontaneously combusts, but don't worry...the mail was saved. Kaitlin becomes the unhinged soccer parent she always dumps on. Caroline's unconventional Halloween costumes.

Air traffic control to Major Tom. Emily receives a special gift. Matt and Scott bring down the vibes with terrible ways to die. 

PHILADELPHIAAAAA

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Niki Hardy is a writer and speaker, and if you’ve ever wrestled with doubt, disappointment, or the feeling that God didn’t show up in the way you hoped, this conversation is for you.

Niki has studyied at Oxford, moved from England to North Carolina to plant a church, lead mission trips, and authored multiple books including Breathe Again, One Minute Prayers for Women with Cancer, and her latest God, Can We Chat? But the deepest lessons she’s learned came from clinging to Jesus when everything seemed upside down.

We talk about why your doubts don’t have to be the executioner of your faith, and why deconstruction doesn’t have to lead to deconversion. Niki shares how God actually welcomes our honest questions, why we don’t have to pretend we’re “fine,” and what to do when you feel like God has failed you. She also teaches a simple framework for having real, honest conversations with God: how to CHAT with Him in a way that brings connection instead of shame.

You don’t have to have it all figured out to belong. God meets us in the questions.

Watch HERE on Youtube! 

Niki’s Website

God, Can We Chat?

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Kaitlin's hairdresser declares her best hair to blowout. Emily discovers she is severly under-tipping her hairdresser. Kaitlin lives her best Halloween life, without the rest of her family. Scott manages to receive death threats and make lifelong friendships on Facebook Marketplace. A discussion on marital duty imbalance. Beef tallow may have the power to turn trees into seeds. Kaitlin believes she’s finally won a parenting battle...turns out there was a secret hero.

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