So...What Else?

Jennifer Dukes Lee is an author, speaker, and expert in helping people create rhythms that actually work in real life, not just in theory.

In this episode, Jennifer makes the bold claim that everyone is a morning person, you just haven’t discovered your style yet. We talk about identifying your unique “archetype” and how understanding it can completely change the way you start your day. She also breaks down the difference between routine and ritual, and why one feels like a chore while the other actually brings life.

We dive into the very real struggle of revenge bedtime procrastination (aka staying up way too late just to reclaim your time), and how to shift your habits without adding more pressure.

At the core of the conversation is this simple but powerful idea: it’s not about when you wake up, it’s about who you wake up to be.

How to Love Your Morning: https://amzn.to/4ur1SUg

Jennifer’s Website: https://jenniferdukeslee.com/

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Scott has not one, but two, pulled hamstrings. Norah walks for the first time, but like sort of. The saga of Donald The Cat continues. Kaitlin's Spotify is unhinged. If men have good personalities but aren’t attractive women are still attracted to them, but the same isn’t necessarily true for women. Kaitlin's worst nightmare comes true at the library. Matt tries to make an intelluctual point, but Emily immediately shuts him down. Do women actually have stronger pain tolerance than men? What's up with celebrities and DUIs?

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It's an Elliotts only episoooddeeeee!

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Scott hates backwards hats and potentially gets questionable LASIK surgery. Kaitlin overcomes an addiction to allergy medication. Emily and Kaitlin double down on their moon landing skepticism, which spirals into flat earth theories and, somehow, glitter company conspiracies.

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Kaitlin finds her perfect pair of sunglasses despite everyone else's opinion. Minivans are elite. Keanu Reeves might be the nicest human alive. We casually dip our toes into conspiracy theories. Does worship music actually manipulate your emotions? Everyone shares their green flags (for once, some positive self-talk).

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Britt Frank is a licensed neuropsychotherapist, speaker, and author known for making complex mental health concepts actually make sense. Through her work, Britt helps people understand their minds and nervous systems in a way that’s practical, empowering, and free of shame.

In this episode, we cover a lot of ground. Britt reframes anxiety as a potential superpower, breaks down how trauma shapes us, and explains why our self-talk matters...maybe even more than we think. We also dive into the nervous system and how that connects to things like the two (yes, two) types of procrastination.

We talk about the difference between emotionally skilled and unskilled families, how those patterns follow us into adulthood, and what it looks like to stop the cycle of emotional regression. It’s insightful, practical, and might just change the way you understand yourself.

Britt’s Website: https://www.brittfrank.com/contact

Align Your Mind: https://amzn.to/4bGvkPj

The Science of Stuck: https://amzn.to/4unSamp

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Emily finds months’ worth of missing lip products buried deep in the couch. Mysterious glowing orbs set off the alarms at Matt’s work, completely derail Kaitlin’s week, and leave the entire SWE team questioning reality (ghosts? government? the afterlife? all of the above?).

Kaitlin’s face-brushing journey fails, Matt and Emily’s dishwasher and oven both die, and  the comforting reality that all of our food is killing us. Kaitlin turns down a potential interview guest for the first time ever. Then Caroline and Hannah call in and everyone shares what their biggest first-date red flag would be.

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Dr. Mikala Albertson is a board-certified family practice physician, author, and passionate advocate for women’s health. She’s known for helping women care for the imperfect bodies we actually live in while navigating the ordinary lives we’re actually living.

In her new book, Everything I Wish I Could Tell You About Midlife: A Woman’s Guide to Health in the Body You Actually Have, Mikala shares both scientific insight and personal stories to help women better understand what’s happening in their bodies during midlife, from perimenopause and hormones to ADHD, stress, supplements, and the overwhelming amount of health advice women are constantly given.

We also talk about the surprising wisdom of the Serenity Prayer and what it looks like to radically accept the things about ourselves we cannot change while still caring well for our bodies.

Everything I Wish I Could Tell You About Midlife: https://amzn.to/3MxL8dH

Dr. Mikala’s Website: https://www.mikalaalbertsonmd.com/

Mikala’s Podcast: Real (Mid)Life: https://www.mikalaalbertsonmd.com/real-midlife-podcast

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Kaitlin turns 37. Parker turns 3. Kaitlin goes to the spa and her foot falls off. She’s also considering a mushroom coffee journey and would like reviews before committing. Lifetime Fitness is incredible. Kaitlin starts doing Peloton workouts. Scott starts working out...and is considering snowboarding for the first time in forever.

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Natalie Runion is the founder of Raised to Stay, author, worship leader, and pastor’s kid turned pastor. After watching people she loved walk away from the church, Natalie began writing about her own wrestling with faith and church hurt. What started as personal reflection grew into a global community committed to staying with Jesus while pursuing healing and restoration within the Church.

In this episode, we talk about why it can feel so difficult for women to find true, sacred sisterhood. Why does gossip creep in so easily? Why does jealousy divide us? Why are strong female leaders often labeled “controlling”? And why do working moms and stay-at-home moms sometimes turn on each other instead of linking arms? Natalie speaks candidly about the cultural and church dynamics that fracture women’s relationships and what it takes to build genuine, life-giving friendships instead.

I Don’t Even Like Women: https://amzn.to/46rJnVS

Raised to Stay: https://amzn.to/46t6G1w

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