So...What Else?

Kaitlin and Scott have a heart to heart about all of Kaitlin's burning (pun intended) questions about firefighters, unpack an extremely succesful week of VBS, and talk honestly about what it's like to work together.

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Kaitlin would like to issue a correction: Caroline has, in fact, read Harry Potter. The Puerto Rico Song. A dead body is found in our town. Childhood brawls. A man with one eye hits on Caroline. Emily might be the most useful of the sisters in pretty much any scenario.

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Shannon Popkin is an author, speaker, Bible teacher, and host of the Live Like It’s True podcast. Shannon has spent years helping people engage Scripture in practical ways, and her latest work explores one of the habits that quietly damages our relationships more than we realize: judgment.

In this conversation, we talk about why judgment feels so unavoidable. Why do we feel judged so often? Why are we so quick to judge others? Shannon unpacks the hidden roots of our critical thoughts—from comparison and insecurity to assumptions we don't even realize we're making.

We also wrestle with an important question: Why do Christians sometimes seem especially judgmental? Shannon explains the crucial difference between discernment and judgment, and offers practical ways to replace criticism with curiosity, compassion, and grace.

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Kaitlin opens up about having a full-blown menty B, the joys (and horrors) of potty training, and addresses the hairstylist haters that weighed in on last week's SWEpisode. Meanwhile, Scott learns what might be the most shocking fact he's ever discovered about his own wife (and somehow this information has never come up before?).

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Allison Byxbe is a writer, speaker, and advocate for honest conversations about grief, healing, and faith in the midst of life’s hardest realities.

Allison shares her story of walking through profound loss and heartbreak, including her sister’s stillbirth, her own miscarriage, a difficult genetic diagnosis for her son, and seasons of struggle within her marriage. She opens up about the questions, fears, and grief that accompanied those experiences, and the slow, often messy journey toward healing.

One of the most powerful parts of Allison’s story is the role journaling played along the way. We talk about how putting words to our pain can help us process emotions instead of suppressing them, why reflection is such an important part of healing, and how journaling can create space for God to meet us in our hardest seasons.

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Emily and Matt are vindicated about the existance of water table fountains. Is Ariana Grande okay? Is it okay for society to be commenting on women’s bodies if they’re underweight? The 1 tillion different terms for women’s haircuts and styles that hairstylists are absolutely making up. How long is too long to wear an item of clothing before deciding to return it? Kaitlin has a ruin with a librarian. Matt doesn’t understand how libraries work. Does renting everyday clothes make any sense? The Black Tux is the best. Norah faces her first walking related injury (don’t worry, she’s okay…Emily? Not so much). Go Knicks!

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Hanna Seymour is an author, speaker, Bible teacher, and a passionate advocate for helping people experience God in everyday life. Hanna encourages women to let go of perfectionism and embrace simple, sustainable rhythms that deepen their relationship with Jesus.

In this conversation, we talk about why so many Christians carry shame around the idea of having a “quiet time” and how that shame can actually keep us from connecting with God. Hanna shares practical, attainable ways to grow your faith, even in busy seasons, and reminds us that spiritual disciplines were never meant to be another item on our to-do list.

We also discuss a freeing truth: there is nothing we can do to make God love us more. We don’t earn His affection through Bible reading plans, prayer streaks, or perfect spiritual habits. Instead, those practices simply help us draw closer to the God who already loves us completely.

Finally, Hanna unpacks how the science of habit formation can work alongside spiritual growth, helping us create rhythms that are life-giving rather than guilt-inducing. If you've ever felt like you're failing at your faith because you can't seem to "do enough," this conversation is the breath of fresh air you've been looking for.

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Everyday Spiritual Habits Book: https://amzn.to/3SarXc3

The Weekly One: https://hannaseymour.com/the-weekly-one

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Kaitlin’s relationship with ChatGPT has become her greatest source of encouragement. Matt and Emily don’t quite understand the workings of a child’s water table toy. Kaitlin is experiencing a slight identity crisis as she’s starting to transition out of the early years of motherhood. Scott and Kaitlin go to their nephew’s wedding in Minnesota..congrats Grant and Lily! New Jersey’s fast-paced hustle culture is exhausting, it might be time to buy a family compound in the middle of nowhere. We tackle some big questions: Can kids see spiritual beings? Should middle schoolers have phones? Is it gross to sleep in the same shirt you wore all day? Slow-summer Kaitlin is beginning to emerge. Scott goes shopping to relieve stress while Kaitlin witnesses a cat viciously murder a chipmunk.

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Erica Ligenza Gwynn is an author, speaker, and writer of That’s Just Not True: How to Replace the Lies You Didn’t Know You Believed with God’s Unchanging Truth.

In this conversation, Erica unpacks the cultural lies that often disguise themselves as empowerment but quietly leave us exhausted, anxious, and stuck. We dive into phrases we hear all the time—“God won’t give me more than I can handle,” “I can do anything,” “My feelings are my truth,” and “I am enough”—and explore why these ideas sound comforting but ultimately fall short.

Erica gently challenges the narratives we’ve absorbed from culture, social media, and even church circles, revealing the deeper truth beneath them and pointing us back to a more grounded, freeing understanding of God and ourselves.

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Happy Mother’s Day SWEople! OLIPOP is a life changer. Caroline helps Kaitlin navigate a grocery store. Is Taco Bell like sort of healthy now? Fast food is staring to grow on Kaitlin. Scott has exactly no functioning legs, oh and may also have a parasite. Emily is the slowest walker of all time. Kaitlin decides to be the fun parent for a night. Parenting when your spouse is traveling is hard. For the first time ever, Emily takes interior design inspiration from Kaitlin.

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