Woohooo, we are back for a new season! We're pivoting away from fairy tales and back to more traditional true crime. The '90s took 2023 by storm this whole year so we thought what's a better way to wrap up this year than with those crazy crimes from that decade that we all remember so well!

Ash and Fallon kick off the season with one of the most well known cases on the 1990's, the infamous affair between 22 year old Monica Lewinsky and 49 year old then President of the United States Bill Clinton. Everyone knows about the blue dress scandal but what most people don't know is that Lewinsky was one of the first victims of global cyberbullying, and is a total badass.


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-Research assistance by Peggie Brott.
-Audio editing by Gaytrice Perdue.
-Sources:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton%E2%80%93Lewinsky_scandal
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Lewinsky
• http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/multimedia/timeline/9809/starr.report/narrative/n2.htm
• https://time.com/5120561/bill-clinton-monica-lewinsky-timeline/
• https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/05/politics/monica-lewinsky-social-media-cnntv/index.html
• https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/05/politics/monica-lewinsky-social-media-cnntv/index.html
• https://case.edu/equity/sexual-harassment-title-ix/consent-incapacitation-coercion
• https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2014/05/monica-lewinsky-speaks
• https://www.theguardian.com/world/1998/sep/11/clinton.usa3
• https://www.ted.com/talks/monica_lewinsky_the_price_of_shame?language=en
• https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/politics/012598clinton-lewinsky.html
• https://www.distractify.com/p/monica-lewinsky-parents
• https://slate.com/culture/2021/10/impeachment-accuracy-episode-6-monica-lewinsky-interrogation.html
• https://news.yahoo.com/news/monica-lewinsky-reveals-worst-nicknames-173635906.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGjygQn9bUxrZ0jOzoRoQAcY2DmV1BPcJQRcuTi5ty2q4UwjM5gIdngs9FNvIfp7Ts5ifxZSIMChwdyAw0uP0j8RWyTgbdZISwdz1eUayRkeSoxLROUkIJtCoXIifUyLzMQ4p0jkYqTEoDRE2BiqA6m0dj6v1V-5YN2dnDOlkbdV
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URvC6T_xhE0
• https://web.archive.org/web/20160304050331/http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20124429,00.html
• https://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/american-crime-story
• https://www.eonline.com/news/1301827/the-history-scarring-true-events-behind-american-crime-story-impeachment

We thought it would be fun to do a Christmas crime, but oh my fuck y'all, they are all SO depressing!

This week, Ash is joined by long time team member, research assistant and friend, Kesha Epperson. Kesha tells Ash about Ronald Gene Simmons Sr. murdered 16 people, and wounded several others, between December 22nd and December 28th in Arkansas in 1987. Fourteen of his victims were his own family members. Merry Christmas y'all!


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-Research by Kesha Epperson.
-Audio editing by Dallas Hernandez.
-Sources:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Gene_Simmons
• https://murderpedia.org/male.S/s1/simmons-ronald-gene.htm
• https://www.4029tv.com/article/ronald-gene-simmons-murders-arkansas/42308596#
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=o91lN7DAw2o
• https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-04/el-paso-dayton-gilroy-mass-shooters-data
• https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-04/el-paso-dayton-gilroy-mass-shooters-data

We made a list and asked y'all twice and The 27 Club was definitely in the top 3 most beloved season of TSFU Presents yet! Black musicians paved the way for many of the most well known artists today and we wanted to give a nod to possibly the first official member of the 27 Club, Robert Johnson, as well as Jimi Hendrix who taught us how to be foxy ladies.

Ash and Fallon talk about Johnson, who is rumored to have sold his soul to the devil in exchange for his insane talent in playing the guitar, and Hendrix, who despite his short life, is one of the most celebrated musicians of the 20th century.


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-Research assistance by Toni Wormold.
-Audio editing by Dallas Hernandez.

Sources:

• https://podcasts.apple.com/si/podcast/jimi-hendrix/id899632430?i=1000493190629
• https://open.spotify.com/episode/6fvarx5eoe2YDMyaRJO4Ta?si=4bee9a93c20b4030
• Https://www.jimihendrix.com
• https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/1987-rolling-stone-covers-22922/rs501-jimi-hendrix-2-92546/
• https://www.roadiemusic.com/blog/7-facts-about-jimi-hendrix/
• https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jimi-Hendrix
• https://www.biography.com/musicians/jimi-hendrix
• https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0001342/
• https://sundial.csun.edu/73841/arts-entertainment/all-things-hendrix-sister-janie-hendrix-opens-up-about-her-legendary-brother/
• Jimi-hendrix-brother-leon-reveals-what-he-was-really-like
• https://www.allmusic.com/artist/jimi-hendrix-mn0000354105/biography

We've been teasing this episode for awhile and here it finally is! Sarah Edmonson is a survivor of and whistleblower for the NXIVM cult. She now hosts the podcast A Little Bit Culty with her husband and fellow NXIVM whistleblower Nippy Aims, where they discuss cults and coercive groups with survivors and experts. She also wrote the bestselling book Scarred: The True Story of How I Escaped NXIVM, the Cult that Bound My Life!

This week, she's here to talk with Ash and Alex about how NXIVM compares to Scientology! They also play cult bingo, and Sarah and Alex discuss how they "sold their cults"!


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Ash and Katy Hearne-Church from Queens Podcast wrap up this whacky season of TSFU Presents with plagues, beheadings, human sacrifices, a handsy king and all sorts of other little diddies that seem totally appropriate for kids!

Follow Katy and her co-host Nathan on Instagram and YouTube! They get boozy and talk historical queens, it's an absolute blast!


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-Incredible research on this whole season by Elizabeth Vandenbosch.
-Audio editing by Ophelia Stone.
-Sources:

• Nursery rhyme | Origins, History & Analysis | Britannica
• The Shocking, Twisted Stories Behind Your Favorite Nursery Rhymes | HuffPost Entertainment
• The real meaning behind these kids’ nursery rhymes will creep you out | The Sun
• 24 Terrifying, Thoughtful and Absurd Nursery Rhymes for Children – Brainz
• 17 Childhood Stories And Rhymes Are That Are Surprisingly Really Dark (buzzfeed.com)
• The dark side of nursery rhymes - BBC Culture
• The Creepiest Nursery Rhymes That Shouldn't Be Read to Kids (ranker.com)
• Jack and Jill – Nursery Rhymes (allnurseryrhymes.com)
• Ring Around the Rosie – Nursery Rhymes (allnurseryrhymes.com)
• Mother Goose Club – Ring Around the Rosy Lyrics | Genius Lyrics
• 'Ring Around the Rosie' Meaning and History | HowStuffWorks
• Mother Goose Club – Mary, Mary Quite Contrary Lyrics | Genius Lyrics
• The Real Meaning of the Nursery Rhyme "Mary, Mary, Quite Contrary" (americansongwriter.com)
• It's Raining, It's Pouring - Wikipedia
• It's raining, it's pouring - BBC Teach
• Mother Goose Club – This Little Piggy Lyrics | Genius Lyrics
• What does 'this little piggy went to market' mean? It's darker than you think (thefocus.news)
• https://americansongwriter.com/behind-meaning-of-nursery-rhyme-london-bridge-is-falling-down-lyrics/

Have you seen "May December" on Netflix? Hot garbage in our opinion... we really don't even know what that movie was trying to convey. This is an incredibly important story though. Ash recently spoke with Independent Fundamentalist Baptist (IFB) cult survivors, siblings Shelly Snow Pordea and Jon Snow on our YouTube channel (episode was also available slightly edited as audio only). Jon was incredibly brave and open and honest about his own abuse and we all agreed that the abuse of boys and men needs to be talked about much more than it is.

Find out more about Shelly here: https://www.shellysnowpordea.com/ and find Jon at https://linktr.ee/snoman74/! Follow Shelly and Jon on IG @Shellysnowpordea and @the_jon_snow!

In August of 2022, Ash and Michelle talked about the grooming of Vili Fualaau by his sixth grade teacher Mary Kay Letourneau.Michelle told Ash about the extremely inappropriate emotional and physical relationship between 34 year old elementary school teacher Mary Kay Letourneau and her 12 year old student, Vili Fualaau. They eventually got married and had children, but Mary Kay obviously always held the power. In this episode we'd like to highlight that women can absolutely be predators as well.

Trigger Warning for this episode and the YouTube interview: sexual abuse of children.


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Hey friends, have you heard yet that we're now live on YOUTUBE?! That's right, you can finally see our faces!*

TW: Basically all of the kinds of abuse possible.

Join Ash as she speaks with siblings Shelly Snow Pordea and Jon Snow, who both grew up in the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist (IFB) sect. Both are incredible survivors and advocates, and Shelly is also an author and Jon is an actor! The three chat about the new Investigation Discovery documentary "Let Us Prey", the rampant abuse of boys and men in the church that's rarely discussed and how the duo have worked hard to heal in their own ways.

Find out more about Shelly here: https://www.shellysnowpordea.com/ and find Jon at https://linktr.ee/snoman74/! Follow Shelly and Jon on IG @Shellysnowpordea and @the_jon_snow!

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*Please note that "YouTube Live" segments are not as curated as regular episodes. The sound is taken right from the video and only the beginning and end chat with the viewers is edited out.

This week, Ash and Katy Hearne-Church from Queens Podcast are talking about scandals within the wonderful world of Disney.We've got racism, sexism (even SA, ewww what?!), psychedelics, Stockholm Syndrome, secret dicks drawn on castles and more!


Follow Katy and her co-host Nathan on Instagram and YouTube! They get boozy and talk historical queens, it's an absolute blast! And make sure to check out OUR NEW YouTube channel while you're at it!

Incredible research on this whole season by Elizabeth Vandenbosch!

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-Audio editing by Gaytrice Perdue.
-Sources:

• The Walt Disney Company
• Disney History - D23
• Disney World vs. Disneyland Size - NerdWallet
• The Biggest Controversies in Disney History - AllEars.Net
• The 10 Most Controversial Animated Disney Movies, Ranked (screenrant.com)
• Disney's America - Wikipedia
• Lusting for some controversy? The awkward history of Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean (themeparkinsider.com)
• Song of the South (1946) - Plot - IMDb
• 'Song of the South': Why the Controversial Disney Movie Is Not on Disney Plus (newsweek.com)
• 17 Problematic Things in Disney Movies That Have Not Aged Well (insider.com)
• The Disney and Ron DeSantis Feud, Explained – Rolling Stone
• DeSantis, Disney hit each other with escalating demands in legal filings as showdown intensifies | Fortune
• Disney chief Bob Iger says strike by writers and actors ‘very disturbing’ | Film industry | The Guardian
• 10 Disney Propaganda Cartoons From World War II - Listverse
• What the Controversy Over ‘Turning Red’ Misses - The Atlantic

We have a special episode for y'all today in honor of HBO's release of Love Has Won: The Cult of Mother God. This puppy is from the Patreon Vault, enjoy!

Today we're taking you alllll the way back to May of 2021 when Ash and one of her amazing former co-hosts Cam talked about Colorado cult Love Has Won! At the time of the recording, "Mother God" had been found dead just weeks prior. It's not been two and half years and a great documentary just came out on HBO!

Check out the YouTube LIVE we did recently to talk about the documentary!

Watch Love Has Won: The Cult of Mother God here!

Ash covers Love Has Won and the mysterious death of its leader Amy Carlson, aka "Mother God". Before her death, Mother God was a belligerent and abusive alcoholic who claimed to be paralyzed from the waist down (videos prove otherwise). She and her group, including Jason Castillo, one of many "Father God"s over the years, had been doing daily livestreams on YouTube since the mid 2000s, gaining followers by selling magical phone healing sessions, "god squad" apparel, etc... the usual. But it appears that Love Has Lost, as Carlson's mummified corpse was found wrapped in a sleeping bag and Christmas lights, with glitter surrounding her hollow eye sockets, in a makeshift shrine less than three weeks ago.

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-Audio engineering by Evette Darensbourg.

This week, Ali tells Ash about the Winchester Mystery House! You've probably heard of it, but do you know the story behind it??

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-Research assistance by Elizabeth Vandenbosch.
-Audio editing by Tina Lukic.
-Sources:

• https://winchestermysteryhouse.com/sarahs-story/
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Winchester
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wirt_Winchester
• https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/winchester-mystery-house
• https://blog.genealogybank.com/the-strange-story-of-the-haunted-winchester-mansion.html/amp?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=DSA&utm_content=California&utm_term=&gad=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw6p-oBhAYEiwAgg2Pgo4UJhqUnpslb_5NUBG19RXq0Dxf_FqDWMnIxzw9bczlb4t_Hj-FYRoCT_oQAvD_BwE
• https://winchestermysteryhouse.com/a-haunted-history/
• https://usghostadventures.com/haunted-stories/why-the-winchester-house-is-haunted/
• https://www.travelchannel.com/interests/haunted/articles/winchester-mystery-house
• https://dilettantearmy.com/articles/psychic-violence