How do we move beyond the labels of "disability" and "levels" when talking about autism? More importantly, how can we actually regulate our nervous system for a better quality of life?

In this fascinating episode, I sit down with Ishe Abel, an autistic woman, podcaster, and groundbreaking advocate. Ishe, creator of The Horse Human Connection Matrix, reveals an incredible insight: horses offer a powerful, unexpected model for connection and regulation that deeply resonates with the autistic experience.

From challenging conventional views on autism to sharing details about her unique, transformative retreat, this conversation is packed with a refreshing new perspective. Don't miss this illuminating talk with the incomparable Ishe Abel.

In Rewilding Together Retreat

The Horse-Human Connection Matrix 

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June 24-28, 2026 In Rewilding Together