The message of Christmas is one that disrupts the norm and turns systems of power upside down. When we examine Mary's Magnificat in Luke 1:46b-55, we see that disruption unfolding, not only in Mary's own life, but in the course of humanity.

Today on the podcast, Dr. Dan Allender is joined by two guests from The Seattle SChool of Theology & Psychology: Dr. Chelle Stearns, Associate Professor of Theology, and Trevor Grindle, the Director of Marketing & Communications. Their conversation covers both cultural and personal implications of Mary's Song.

As you listen this Christmas weekend and beyond, we invite you to join us to consider how this passage can impact our own lives and open our ears and hearts to the voices and stories around us with a fresh perspective.

Trevor Grindle's tattoo: https://www.instagram.com/p/CdjQBUFvv1A/