In the latest Parlor to Plate dairy podcast from Ever.Ag Insights, our all-star panel breaks down new USDA data. How did US dairy trade fare in October? Did the latest Dairy Products report hold any surprises? And what revisions did the latest WASDE hold for the US corn balance sheet?
Join host Katie Burgess and panelists Kevin Peterson, Colin Kadis and Natalie McCarty for a spirited discussion.
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And is not a solicitation to buy or sell commodities. Hello and welcome to Parler to play a weekly podcast from ever again. Sites dedicated to offering listeners enlightening discussion and actionable dairy market intelligence. I’m your host, Katie Burgess. Coming to you from a snowy Madison, Wisconsin. We’re excited to have you on today. If you enjoy the show, please subscribe and tell a friend or two.
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First, let’s timestamp the episode. It is 1030 Central Time on Wednesday, December 11th, and for a rundown of the steamy spot market yesterday, Black Cheddar closed at 173 per pound. That is up $0.06 from a week ago. Barrels finished at one 68.75, up $0.04. Butter is at 253 per pound, up three quarters of a cent from a week ago, and nonfat dry milk is at one 3825.
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Also up three quarters of a cent. Turning to the grain markets, March corn is all the way up to 450 per bushel today. That’s up $0.20 from last week and January. Soybeans are 9.99 at $0.16 from a week ago. So let’s get to the show. Got another great crew joining me today. First Mr. Kevin Peterson joining us from Chicago.
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He works with commercial dairy customers. We’ve got Colin Cardus joining us from the Pacific Northwest, where he works with dairy producers, and now McCarty from California, where she’s keeping a close eye on the feed market. How is everyone doing today? Great. Great. All right. Tim, well, we’ve had a few new reports over the past week. I wouldn’t say any big market movers in the dairy space, but like I mentioned in the rundown, corn did get a little bit of a pop yesterday coming out of the report.
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Natalie, let’s start with you. What were the big takeaways from that report.
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Was that they lowered corn, ending stocks quite a bit actually. It went from 1.938 in the November report down to 1.738 billion bushels. They adjusted the export number by 150. That was the big move that caused those reductions and then also increased ethanol use as well. As far as the soybean balance sheet, not a lot of changes there at all.
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Some changes in the world numbers, but overall the U.S. kind of stayed steady. Same thing on the weeks we saw some slight changes in the U.S. with ending stocks down slightly, but world and U.S. stocks remain robust.
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I know it definitely caught my eye this morning to see that. 450 trading from a march corn perspective. When I look at the chart. That’s the highest we’ve been dating back to a day or two in early October. From a feed team perspective, you know, did this report give us momentum to move even higher here or what are we thinking for prices now following this report?
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Is going to be to see we’re right up against the 200 day moving average, which is right around 452. Key will be to hold that and not move above it. I think for the most part, this report was anticipated. We expected eventually we were going to go back to a 1.7 ending stock. It was interesting that the USDA did it in one fell swoop.
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I think the other thing that’s really interesting is, like I said, most of the corn reduction was in exports. And right now Trump has indicated that he’ll do a 25% tariff on day one of our largest trade partner, which is Mexico, on the corn side. So even though exports are robust right now, I think there’s still some questions on is it front loaded at this point.
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So I think largely expected we’ve really got to watch that 200 day moving average. And if it pops above. The other thing I think that’s interesting is we’ve seen the carry come out of the market. So you know, January, February, March now all is pretty flat. And also basis is come down to offset some of these pricing crises we’ve seen.
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So a net effect it hasn’t been as large as just the futures move.
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Know for sure. And I think that you know that becomes a big part of what we’re watching in 2025 from a policy perspective. If we do tariffs or if we don’t have tariffs, it paints two really different pictures for demand. And I guess speaking of trade and exports, Colin, there was new trade data from USDA last week as well.
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Can you give us the rundown of what it showed on the dairy front?
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Yeah, Katie, I think it was pretty exciting from well, I guess the process or point of view in terms of we got a lot of product out of the country, but then the producer point of view as well, in terms of getting products out of the country, is usually price supported. I mean, cheese, even though we saw extremely higher prices in October, we still saw a 12% gain versus the prior October.
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A lot of familiar faces on the buy side. You know, Mexico bought 27% more than the previous year, but also encouraging to see places like South Korea, who bought 11% more than the previous year. You know, generally when we see a place like South Korea, it’s not on a short term spot export kind of thing than the longer term deal, which is encouraging.
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We’ll need those longer term deals to kind of keep prices higher. I think you pointed out to me, Katie, which is really interesting, but we had our largest import export gap since 1995 on butter. We actually dropped 14 million pounds and it was Ireland that picked it up. Basically, they doubled the volume that they imported to the United States from last year.
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And then, you know, we’ve seen where prices kind of perk up here a little bit as we get to the end of the year. And I think it makes sense just looking at what we did for October, we actually exported 25% more than we did in the previous year, and a lot of that went to China, about 9 million pounds of 17 total.
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So encouraging to see China back in the mix and encouraging for the class three complex for sure.
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And I think that one of the big things as we head into 2025 is it’s good to see that from a cheese export perspective. We’re on pace for a record 2024 in terms of cheese exports. And from a price perspective, right now we’re fairly globally competitive, but we’re going to need to continue to see big numbers on the export front just to help keep this market cleaned up as more cheese processing capacity comes online, too.
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So hopefully, you know, this latest report data that’s a couple months old at this point. But at least an encouraging sign that we’re continuing to win the business. And hopefully that continues for the US dairy markets. One other report that we got last week was the Dairy Products report. Kevin, can you give us a rundown of the highlights from that one?
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Yeah, absolutely. We’re so far into the year now. This is one I personally like to start scrolling down a little more on that dairy products report and not focusing so much so on just this month versus last year. But the cumulative stats I find more interesting right now for 2024 versus 2023. So really a lot of the same story that we have been seeing, you know, you have cheddar cheese in total down 6.2%, 2024 2023.
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And that’s over 100 million pounds less that we’ve made. And you know, again, as we’ve been talking about it, but it’s really shifting into markets where we’re up more than call it 150 million pounds year over year, up 4% there. So that continues to me to be an interesting trend, just making so much less cheddar and a lot more Mots and other type of Italian cheeses as well.
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You know, cold storage came out a few weeks ago as well and showing cheese inventories down 50 million pounds. So part of me is thinking some point I wonder if we’ll start to see some backfill of inventories. And maybe that’s what we’ve been seeing the last two weeks. It kind of put a bottom into this market here on the spot.
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And then shifting over into the powders again. Kind of the same story all year, but a lot less nonfat dry milk has been made year over year. We’re down just under 200 million pounds actually in 2024 versus 2023, that’s down 11.6%. You know, similar in dry way, down about 70 million pounds year over year, down 8.7%. So kind of a lot of the commodity type products we’re seeing obviously besides butter we’re making a lot less of it’s going into things like cottage cheese ice creams up.
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But to me Cod is interesting in the product shifts of what we’re making this year versus last.
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Year, for sure. And when we look at that way number, the way market itself has been on quite the run here spot way up above the 70 cent mark. As you look at the dairy products report, you know, what’s your takeaway from that in terms of where do we go next with this way market?
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Yeah, that was going to be a tough one. You know I think here for the time being it’s going to stay probably supported. You know what I look for there is going to be you know obviously demand for whey protein isolates 80s is extremely strong right now. You know when I go into the store it seems protein is kind of everywhere.
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And we’re putting protein in a lot of stuff. I mean, I was in Costco I think last week, and you know, now there’s protein pancakes and it’s just seems to be the fad right now. And so what I look to there to maybe turn it around with prices moving lower is just has to be added capacity. And so I guess the thing I look to, to maybe turn the market around is going to be, you know, the added capacity we’ve talked about.
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And I think one cheese plant from I understand is making, you know, higher in whey proteins and another that’s coming online is going to be making more of your sweet whey. And so really just in totality, more production capacity and more product coming online I think is what we need. But again, we might not find that in meaningful way until mid year next.
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Year for sure. And I mean, I think that we kind of keep coming back to the same theme that you’re in the dairy space. This new cheese processing capacity really remains a big story, whether it’s the impact or potential ramifications of what is trade going to look like, what is the market going to look like? Where’s the milk supply going to go?
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All of these pieces that kind of circles back to our product mix is going to change next year. And just figuring out how the market adjusts for that, what it is not next year yet. We’re on a countdown here as we wrap up 2024. We are two weeks away from Christmas, three weeks away from New Year’s Day. It’s a question for all of you today.
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What is one thing you think our customer base should be thinking about? Getting wrapped up before we head into the holiday season? So, Colin, I’ll start with you. What’s one thing a dairy producer should be thinking about doing here? Between now and year end?
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Well, Katie, we talked about record exports and our insights team tried to answer the question you just asked, which is here with all the new cheese capacity coming, if we have to export it all, will we be able to. And I think the numbers that came back with this, we’re going to have to see on top of this year’s record exports, 25 to 50% growth in cheese exports to keep class three where it is.
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So the Q1 drop deadline is this Friday, which is, I believe, the 15th. If you are going to be worried if milk goes below 18 bucks and I would get the coverage on, it’s a good look at the end of the.
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Year for sure. I mean, those levels out there are still pretty good. Like you mentioned, sugar prices have been above $18 to get some floors on for next year. The premium costs are now $0.20 or less. So definitely a prudent move for dairy producers to take a look at some more Q1 DRP insurance between now and year end.
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Kevin, how about you? I know you work with a lot of commercial dairy buyers. What are you having your customers think about as we head into year end? Yes.
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For most of his markets looking out next year, the only thing I can preach is options, options, options. A lot of capacity coming online next year. More looking at a lot of, you know, higher than typical curves out into 2025. And so obviously getting the hedges and coverage that we need. But really trying to steer away from fixed price out there and using options to allow some downside as well next year for sure.
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And Natalie, as you’re talking to feed buyers, what is top of mind for them? I think the.
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Thing that I would say is lock in margin feed prices, even though we have seen a blip up, they are still at historic lows and the Careys have eroded. So one of the other things were working with the buyers on is taking a look at that 2526 market and possibly using option strategies to set some tops there as well.
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For sure, I like it giving a Christmas present to yourself of some more financial stability in 2025, and for dairy producers, opportunities to lock in good margins on both the milk and the feed side of things, that seems like a great way to kick off the new year.
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That’s a wrap for today’s show. A big thanks to our panelists, Kevin, Colin and Natalie appreciated you joining me today. Also, a big thanks to the other Egg Insights team for your production support. And to you, our listeners, we appreciate you tuning in. You like the show? Please hit subscribe on your favorite podcast app and if you’d like to learn more about how we help customers manage risk, please contact us at insights at ever.ag.
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