Trent and Tyler Leon are the Co-Founders of Tilden Capital. Today, their business, Tilden Capital, has deployed billions of dollars into oil & gas minerals, royalties, and non-operated positions across the Permian and other domestic basins.  

We talk about growing up in a golf-obsessed family, attending IMG Academy, and competing at the highest levels of amateur and professional golf—then making the decision to walk away and start something new.

We also cover:

- What they learned from life on the road as pro golfers

- How and when they knew it was time to pivot into business

- Early lessons from starting an oil and gas company from scratch

- The current outlook on the Permian Basin and broader energy trends

- How they build conviction around long-term bets and stay optimistic

- What it’s like working together as brothers and business partners

You’re in for a wide-ranging conversation about life, business, and the journey from competitive sports to entrepreneurship.

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(00:00:00) - Intro  

(00:04:16) - Trent and Tyler’s early childhood and developing a passion for Golf  

(00:15:36) - Moving to IMG Academy to pursue Golf  

(00:23:19) - The college recruiting process  

(00:31:54) - The parenting style that leads to 3 kids becoming Division 1 athletes  

(00:35:39) - Winning a national championship in college  

(00:41:25) - The realities of life as professional golfers  

(00:47:49) - The state of Oil and Gas  

(00:51:40) - The Permian Basin  

(00:55:18) - Trent and Tyler’s approach to buying mineral rights  

(00:58:08) - Drill Baby, Drill!  

(01:02:26) - Will AI play a part in drilling rigs?  

(01:04:10) - Running a lean team at Tilden  

(01:09:19) - Developing relationships in the industry  

(01:12:09) - Staying laser-focused  

(01:13:48) - 4-year predictions  

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Andrew Yaffe is the CEO of Dude Perfect. Prior to joining Dude Perfect, he served as Executive Vice President, Head of Social, Digital and Original Content at the NBA, leading the department responsible for all video, editorial, and documentary content produced and distributed by the NBA. 

We dive into the evolution of content strategy, how vertical video, AI-driven editing, and fan-driven content are reshaping how people consume sports and entertainment. We also talk about the massive shift toward family-friendly entertainment, why authenticity matters more than ever in building a trusted brand, and how Dude Perfect is capitalizing on a deep relationship with its audience to expand into products, experiences, and live events.

We also cover:

- Why YouTube dominates digital content consumption and how Dude Perfect leverages it

- How user-generated and behind-the-scenes content outperforms traditional highlights

- The growth of Dude Perfect’s live shows and the company's focus on family-first experiences

- Building long-term brand equity without sacrificing core values

- How the next wave of growth will come from new talent, products, and experiences under the Dude Perfect umbrella

This conversation offers a behind-the-scenes look at how one of the most iconic creator-led brands is thinking about the next decade of growth—and why the future of entertainment looks a lot more personal, community-driven, and mission-focused.

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Topics:

(00:00:00) - Intro

(00:02:55) - Andrew’s career in the NBA: Starting as a Ticket Pricing Analyst and becoming the EVP of Content

(00:07:54) - How “Content” has evolved in the past 5 years

(00:13:50) - The NBA vs. NBA China

(00:14:37) - Content distribution strategies

(00:16:20) - Are professional sports audiences declining?

(00:19:46) - Becoming CEO of Dude Perfect

(00:23:23) - How do you filter opportunities for the brand?

(00:28:37) - Battling the algorithm: Family content

(00:30:39) - Cultural differences between Dude Perfect and the NBA

(00:33:54) - Who’s coming up with content ideas at this stage of the brand?

(00:38:21) - The Gravity of YouTube

(00:41:51) - What kind of production goes into a typical Dude Perfect video?

(00:44:20) - What does working with YouTube look like when you have 62 million subscribers?

(00:47:05) - What types of data matter at Dude Perfect?

(00:52:01) - What is the target market for Dude Perfect?

(00:54:09) - Should we be encouraging our kids to be content creators?

(00:57:24) - What are the primary revenue streams?

(00:59:15) - Why do the live shows perform so well with audiences?

(01:00:12) - Are there plans for more “Dudes”?

(01:01:37) - Does the brand's growth mean taking audiences away from professional sports?

(01:03:22) - Does the audience age out?

(01:04:39) - Is there one metric that matters more than anything else?

(01:06:04) - What does this brand look like in 5 years?

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In this episode, Jason and I discuss one of the biggest challenges facing America today: the health crisis fueled by our food system. 

Jason, a former hedge fund manager turned health entrepreneur, shares how his personal journey through professional burnout, depression, and physical illness opened his eyes to the systemic problems in the way America produces, regulates, and consumes food.

We explore how decades of misaligned incentives, corporate lobbying, and regulatory failure have created a food environment that prioritizes profit over public health. Jason explains why rates of chronic disease, obesity, and metabolic disorders are worse than ever despite record healthcare spending and how other countries have taken a much stricter, more effective approach to food safety and nutrition.

We also cover:

- How Big Food and Big Pharma have benefited from keeping Americans sick

- The differences between food standards in the U.S. and Europe

- Why eating closer to nature is essential for reversing chronic disease

- Practical steps individuals can take today to avoid the worst parts of the American food system

- The urgent need for policy reform and better consumer education

We also discuss the growing role of psychedelics in mental health treatment, healing trauma, and helping individuals reconnect with themselves in an increasingly disconnected world.

This conversation is a candid look at why health outcomes in the U.S. continue to decline—and what it will take to fix it. Whether you're a consumer, an entrepreneur, or simply someone trying to live a longer, healthier life, Jason’s insights are a wake-up call and a call to action.

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(00:00:00) - Intro

(00:03:58) - Jason’s career

(00:17:51) - Psychedelic therapy

(00:42:47) - Making the decision to leave a 20-year hedge fund career

(00:50:46) - How did America become such an unhealthy country?

(01:01:01) - Big food vs. big pharma

(01:03:25) - Lab grown food

(01:05:54) - What’s being done to make us healthy again?

(01:10:35) - How can the average person start to be healthier

(01:15:50) - The truth about alcohol

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Hunter Pond is the founder of Vandelay Hospitality Group, one of the most recognizable restaurant portfolios in Texas. From dropping out of law school mid-exam to launching East Hampton Sandwich Co. with no industry experience, Hunter shares how a love for restaurants kickstarted a hospitality empire.

We dive into the creation and evolution of VHG. Hunter breaks down the art and science behind successful concepts, why restaurants fail, and how his team approaches everything from vendor relationships to tip pooling and fraud prevention.

This episode covers:

- The impulsive moment that launched his restaurant career

- How a $20K investment and Craigslist chef shaped East Hampton’s early days

- The balance of creativity and discipline in full-service dining

- Building menus for flavor, efficiency, and profitability

- Lessons learned from private equity and selling his first concept

- Why restaurant success is often more about square footage than food

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Topics:

(00:00:00) - Intro

(00:03:20) - Dropping out of law school to pursue a career in the restaurant industry

(00:10:31) - Lessons learned from working the back of the house

(00:14:01) - Developing and opening East Hampton Sandwich Co.

(00:23:47) - How to build a menu

(00:29:44) - The importance of seat count

(00:34:57) - How DoorDash killed the fast-casual restaurant

(00:37:02) - Service vs. product in the success of a restaurant

(00:42:21) - Blocking and tackling in the business

(00:44:06) - Where people fail in the restaurant industry

(00:49:56) - Selling East Hampton

(00:52:56) - Cloud Kitchens

(00:54:43) - Developing Hudson House

(00:58:01) - Determining seat count ratios

(01:01:03) - Lessons from working with PE

(01:05:29) - Sources of turnover in restaurants

(01:06:49) - Why certain concepts don’t work in different cities

(01:08:48) - The impact of real estate on restaurants

(01:12:02) - Creating new concepts vs. acquisitions

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Hiten Samtani is the founder and editorial director of ten31, a new media company focused on market-moving insider coverage of the most important and least understood industries. He is the author of The Promote, a newsletter that readers have likened to commercial real estate's answer to Matt Levine's "Money Stuff," and a publication that has built the most highly engaged audience in B2B media (open rate: 70%). Hiten founded ten31 after a decade at The Real Deal, where he ran the newsroom and shepherded coverage of the most important stories in real estate.

Chris and Hiten get into the early days of the brand, what inspired it, and why the real estate world needed a publication that’s bold, sharp, and unapologetically honest. They talk about the stories that hit hardest, what makes for a good scoop, and how Hiten has built trust with sources while keeping the content unfiltered and highly readable.

They also cover:

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The Promote CRE newsletter

The Promote Podcast

A specialist playbook on how to get ink for your deal or company

Understanding the different modes of talking to the press

Key industry storylines for 2025

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Topics:

(00:00:00) - Intro

(00:05:33) - Hiten’s journey into real estate journalism

(00:08:24) - Lesson from working at the Real Deal

(00:12:39) - Who is the audience?

(00:16:28) - Is your style of journalism unique to real estate?

(00:19:40) - What it took to launch ten31 Media

(00:27:55) - Where do you get inspiration, and how do you get access to the information you can get?

(00:35:32) - HFCs

(00:39:03) - How do you determine what is truth and what isn’t?

(00:48:42) - How can CRE companies get press?

(00:55:40) - On the record vs. off the record

(00:59:12) - CRE themes of 2024 and what to look for in 2025

(01:04:19) - Attending a Jewish circumcision ceremony in a NYC boardroom

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Today’s episode is with Co-Founder, Jason Baxter, to introduce our latest venture, FOSTR AI—a company built to solve one of the most pressing challenges facing businesses today: how to implement AI in your business in a meaningful, aligned, and scalable way.

We unpack the fragmented state of AI adoption across small to mid-sized businesses and explain why most organizations, despite interest, are either stuck in experimentation or using disconnected tools that don’t move the business forward. 

FOSTR AI is the answer to that problem—an execution intelligence layer that creates a company's “digital twin,” aligning AI usage with team structure, goals, and strategy from day one.

We discuss how FOSTR helps companies:

- Onboard and operationalize AI in a matter of minutes

- Centralize AI usage across teams while maintaining control, security, and context

- Reduce risk from siloed tools and misaligned AI use

Links:

FOSTR AI - https://fostrai.com/

If you are interested in investing, please email:  [email protected]

If you are interested in becoming a customer or getting involved with/joining the Fostr AI team, please email:  [email protected]

Topics:

(00:00:00) - Intro

(00:00:52) - Introducing FOSTR

(00:02:40) - The Challenges Businesses Face with AI Today

(00:05:14) - How Companies and Employees Are Misusing AI

(00:10:29) - Additional Challenges

(00:12:33) - How FOSTR Is Creating Alignment Between Companies and AI Solutions

(00:25:57) - Where FOSTR Is in Its Life Cycle

(00:30:39) - How to Get in Touch With, Work At, or Invest in FOSTR

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Paul Hedrick is the Founder of Tecovas, the leading high-quality western footwear, apparel, and accessories brand. 

In today’s episode, we discuss:

- the origins of Tecovas and early founding stories,

- what it takes to build an incredible brand

- Tecovas’ retail “moat” - radical hospitality

- how they managed through COVID

- and more

As Executive Chairman, Paul works with the Tecovas board and executive team on brand, product, and marketplace strategy so that Tecovas fulfills its mission to steward the next generation of western.

Tecovas is in its 10th operating year in business and now operates over 40 retail stores in over 30 cities and 20 states, with total annual revenue eclipsing $250 million in 2024.

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Tecovas - https://www.tecovas.com/

Topics:

(00:00:00) - Intro

(00:02:35) - Starting Tecovas

(00:13:01) - The Mission of Tecovas

(00:16:29) - Finding Manufacturing

(00:24:55) - Moving from Online to In-Person Retail

(00:32:27) - Store Design

(00:38:23) - Radical Hospitality

(00:42:22) - "Don’t Say No to the Customer" vs. "The Customer Is Always Right"

(00:45:12) - Scaling Radical Hospitality

(00:52:47) - Surviving Covid

(01:01:27) - Developing a Great Brand

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Steve Cockram is an inspirational communicator, serial entrepreneur, and confidante to elite leaders worldwide. He is a best-selling author, creator of the 5 Voices communication system, and co-founder of GiANT, a global leadership consultancy working in 143 countries. His latest venture is called the “Relationship Revolution.” 

We discuss:

- Why successful business people have failed relationships

- How to mend failed relationships

- How to become self-aware as an entrepreneur

- How to lead and gain influence

- Why wealth is not a powerful indicator of success

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Topics:

(00:00:00) - Intro

(00:03:55) - The Importance of Relationships

(00:05:04) - Steve's Journey to Emotional Intelligence

(00:11:06) - The Impact of Self-Awareness on Relationships

(00:22:54) - The Value of Meaningful Relationships

(00:36:26) - The Entrepreneur's Dilemma: Sharing Fears and Finding Support

(00:39:00) - The Breakdown of Relationships: Communication and Trust Issues

(00:42:08) - Understanding Personality Differences in Relationships

(00:49:22) - The Five Voices: Simplifying Personality Assessments

(00:55:41) - The Importance of Humility in Leadership Communication

(01:00:41) - Mending Broken Relationships

(01:04:18) - Gaining Influence as a Leader

(01:06:24) - The True Measure of Wealth

(01:10:29) - Legacy and Purpose

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Kyle Bass is the Founder/CIO of Hayman Capital Management, L.P., an investment manager of private funds focused on global event-driven opportunities, and the Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer of Conservation Equity Management, an impact and natural capital private equity firm. 

Kyle is also the Co-Chief Executive Officer of the newly formed Rochefort Management, a private credit firm focused on the Critical Technology Initiative – a joint effort between the Small Business Administration and the Department of Defense to attract private investment into technology areas deemed critical to national and economic security.

Mr. Bass is a Life Member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the recipient of the 2019 Foreign Policy Association Medal for his responsible internationalism. Mr. Bass has lectured on global economics, national security, geopolitics, and the architecture of the Chinese financial system at various universities. Mr. Bass is the former Chair of the Risk Committee of the Board of Directors of the University of Texas Investment Management Company (UTIMCO), which manages approximately $75 billion. 

We discuss:

- Predicting the GFC and attempting to warn Bear Stearns and the SEC of the coming collapse

- The global state of affairs: China, Taiwan, Russia, Iran and BRICS

- How the U.S. and Trump should combat China

- The rise of the U.S. Defense-Tech industry

- Why Texas is the Growth Engine for the world

(00:00:00) - Intro

(00:04:03) - Introducing Kyle

(00:05:58) - Short-Selling Thesis

(00:11:45) - Predicting the GFC

(00:19:50) - Trying to warn Bear Stearns & the SEC

(00:25:39) - How to hire a contrarian

(00:29:23) - China-Taiwan

(00:33:34) - How Trump can have a successful presidency concerning China

(00:44:17) - Iran

(00:46:34) - Why some wealthy Americans are pro-China

(00:49:32) - The Chinese land grab in America

(00:52:41) - Texas: The growth engine of the world

(00:58:47) - The Defense-Tech Industry in America

(01:02:03) - What Kyle will invest in

(01:05:19) - The Texas migration and influence

(01:09:23) - What do you want to be known for?

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Morgan’s books have sold over seven million copies and have been translated into more than 60 languages.

He is a two-time winner of the Best in Business Award from the Society of American Business Editors and Writers and winner of the New York Times Sidney Award. MarketWatch named him one of the 50 most influential people in markets. He's a partner at The Collaborative Fund and serves on the board of directors at Markel. 

We discuss:

- Human Psychology and Risk

- Tribalism, Anger & Humor

- Investing Philosophies

- Writing and Book Publishing Lessons

- The Drive of Successful Entrepreneurs

- Balancing Wealth and Happiness

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Topics:

(00:00:00) - Intro

(00:01:41) - Lessons from a Skiing Tragedy

(00:05:51) - The Impact of Personal Experiences on Risk Tolerance

(00:08:18) - The Tribal Nature of Human Behavior

(00:14:42) - The Role of Anger and Humor in Online Interactions

(00:20:16) - Behavior vs. Knowledge in Investing

(00:39:44) - The Halo Effect and Perception

(00:40:55) - Warren Buffett's Personal Sacrifices

(00:42:05) - The Cost of Professional Success

(00:43:36) - Balancing Personal and Professional Life

(00:45:37) - The Complexity of Wealth

(01:02:53) - Teaching Kids About Money

(01:13:54) - The End of History Illusion

(01:15:35) - Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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