Steve Scaffidi is joined on the phone by political writer James Wigderson and they begin by looking towards 2025 and discussing Donald Trump's second term and his plan for mass deportation. They discuss the implications for the economy with how important immigrants are for America's workforce.

Continuing the conversation, Steve asks James Wigderson about Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers potentially going against Trump's deportation and what the struggle between state and federal government may look like. They also discuss how complicated mass deportation would actually be and James' Christmas wish list for politics.