Seth Godin is an entrepreneur, a marketer, an author, and a speaker. People have called him the godfather of modern marketing and the best marketing brain on the planet. He joins HubSpot CMO Mike Volpe on this episode of The Growth Show to talk about building a business that will last, the importance of trust in hiring, and why you should think about being better vs. being bigger.

Neil Blumenthal and his friends (later turned co-founders) were tired of paying outrageous prices for their glasses, so they did what any crazy and ambitious entrepreneur would: they set out to disrupt the eyewear industry by cutting out the middleman. Warby Parker launched in 2010 and hit their first-year sales goals in three weeks. Fast forward five years and not only have Neil and his co-founders achieved their mission, but they’ve built a socially conscious brand that people love.

Two months ago, Meerkat didn’t even exist. Today, the live-streaming app has over 700,000 active users, including celebrities like Jimmy Fallon and Madonna. Meerkat founder Ben Rubin sits down with HubSpot CMO Mike Volpe to talk about how they grew so big so fast, how they’ve kept growing despite being cut off from Twitter’s graph, the decision to pivot the entire company in just five days, and why we should care about live-streaming.