Courtney chats with guest, John Paul Gentile, a songwriter and storyteller who nurtures artists as they move through their creative journey. In this episode, they talk about the common themes that come up when artists are working on their craft, rest and timelessness, reframing suffering and belonging to community as a creative. JP is part of a songwriting retreat called Fathering Artists, which Courtney has participated in multiple times and they share their experiences of the retreat and how powerful it is to create within a safe group.