LessWrong (Curated & Popular)

“The hostile telepaths problem” by Valentine


Listen Later

Epistemic status: model-building based on observation, with a few successful unusual predictions. Anecdotal evidence has so far been consistent with the model. This puts it at risk of seeming more compelling than the evidence justifies just yet. Caveat emptor.

Imagine you're a very young child. Around, say, three years old.

You've just done something that really upsets your mother. Maybe you were playing and knocked her glasses off the table and they broke.

Of course you find her reaction uncomfortable. Maybe scary. You're too young to have detailed metacognitive thoughts, but if you could reflect on why you're scared, you wouldn't be confused: you're scared of how she'll react.

She tells you to say you're sorry.

You utter the magic words, hoping that will placate her.

And she narrows her eyes in suspicion.

"You sure don't look sorry. Say it and mean it."

Now you have a serious problem. [...]

---

Outline:

(02:16) Newcomblike self-deception

(06:10) Sketch of a real-world version

(08:43) Possible examples in real life

(12:17) Other solutions to the problem

(12:38) Having power

(14:45) Occlumency

(16:48) Solution space is maybe vast

(17:40) Ending the need for self-deception

(18:21) Welcome self-deception

(19:52) Look away when directed to

(22:59) Hypothesize without checking

(25:50) Does this solve self-deception?

(27:21) Summary

The original text contained 7 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.

---

First published:
October 27th, 2024

Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/5FAnfAStc7birapMx/the-hostile-telepaths-problem

---

Narrated by TYPE III AUDIO.

...more
View all episodesView all episodes
Download on the App Store

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)By LessWrong

  • 4.8
  • 4.8
  • 4.8
  • 4.8
  • 4.8

4.8

12 ratings


More shows like LessWrong (Curated & Popular)

View all
Making Sense with Sam Harris by Sam Harris

Making Sense with Sam Harris

26,389 Listeners

Conversations with Tyler by Mercatus Center at George Mason University

Conversations with Tyler

2,420 Listeners

Robert Wright's Nonzero by Nonzero

Robert Wright's Nonzero

590 Listeners

Future of Life Institute Podcast by Future of Life Institute

Future of Life Institute Podcast

107 Listeners

The Good Fight by Yascha Mounk

The Good Fight

901 Listeners

ManifoldOne by Steve Hsu

ManifoldOne

92 Listeners

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway by Vox Media Podcast Network

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway

5,484 Listeners

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST) by Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)

90 Listeners

Dwarkesh Podcast by Dwarkesh Patel

Dwarkesh Podcast

500 Listeners

Hard Fork by The New York Times

Hard Fork

5,471 Listeners

Clearer Thinking with Spencer Greenberg by Spencer Greenberg

Clearer Thinking with Spencer Greenberg

130 Listeners

Complex Systems with Patrick McKenzie (patio11) by Patrick McKenzie

Complex Systems with Patrick McKenzie (patio11)

133 Listeners

The Marginal Revolution Podcast by Mercatus Center at George Mason University

The Marginal Revolution Podcast

93 Listeners

Statecraft by Santi Ruiz

Statecraft

35 Listeners

The Last Invention by Longview

The Last Invention

679 Listeners