The Jon Gordon Podcast

On this episode, I sit down with Mark Batterson, my friend, best-selling author, and pastor of National Community Church, for a heartfelt conversation about his inspiring new book, Gradually, Then Suddenly. Together, we unpack powerful themes from Mark Batterson's life and writing, including the importance of embracing gradual growth, the value of long obedience, and trusting that God works through seasons of waiting just as much as in breakthrough moments. You'll hear real stories of dreaming big, failing and starting over, giving generously, and staying humble and hungry, no matter where you are on your journey. Whether you're feeling stuck, facing adversity, or struggling to see the fruit of your hard work, this conversation is a reminder that progress often comes "gradually, then suddenly." You'll walk away encouraged to stay faithful, keep growing, and believe that your own breakthrough might be closer than you think.

About Mark,

Mark Batterson is the New York Times bestselling author of two dozen adult and children's books including Win the Day, Chase the Lion and A Million Little Miracles. His newest book is Gradually Then Suddenly, How to Dream Bigger, Decide Better, and Leave a Lasting Legacy.

More than 10 million of his books are in print in dozens of languages. Mark is also the lead pastor of National Community Church in Washington, D.C. One church with multiple campuses, NCC owns and operates Ebenezers Coffeehouse, the DC Dream Center and the Capital Turnaround—a 100,000-square-foot city block that includes an event venue and child development center. Mark holds a doctor of ministry degree from Regent University. He and his wife, Lora, have been married for 30 years, have three adult children and reside on Capitol Hill. For more information, visit markbatterson.com and Instagram.com/markbatterson & https://twitter.com/markbatterson

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In this episode, I share why elevating your leadership capacity is essential for overcoming adversity and thriving through challenges. You'll hear my perspective on how growing as a leader makes you greater than the problems you face, empowering you to thrive, not just survive. Tune in for a boost of motivation to increase your capacity and lead the way for others. If this message inspires you, please share the episode and help others elevate their leadership too!

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Follow me on Instagram: @JonGordon11

Order my new book 'The 7 Commitments of a Great Team' today!

Every week, I send out a free Positive Tip newsletter via email. It's advice for your life, work and team. You can sign up now here and catch up on past newsletters.

Join me for my Day of Development! You'll learn proven strategies to develop confidence, improve your leadership and build a connected and committed team. You'll leave with an action plan to supercharge your growth and results. It's time to Create your Positive Advantage. Get details and sign up here.

Do you feel called to do more? Would you like to impact more people as a leader, writer, speaker, coach and trainer? Get Jon Gordon Certified if you want to be mentored by me and my team to teach my proven frameworks principles, and programs for businesses, sports, education, healthcare!

In this episode of Positive Mindset Monday, I share the story of how choosing to love what you do, even the challenging parts, can transform your performance and your mindset. You'll hear how focusing on love instead of fear elevates your state of mind and helps you reach your highest potential. Join me for motivation to embrace the process, let go of anxiety, and step confidently into success. If this message inspires you, share the episode and help others discover the power of loving what they do!

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Follow me on Instagram: @JonGordon11

Order my new book 'The 7 Commitments of a Great Team' today!

Every week, I send out a free Positive Tip newsletter via email. It's advice for your life, work and team. You can sign up now here and catch up on past newsletters.

Join me for my Day of Development! You'll learn proven strategies to develop confidence, improve your leadership and build a connected and committed team. You'll leave with an action plan to supercharge your growth and results. It's time to Create your Positive Advantage. Get details and sign up here.

Do you feel called to do more? Would you like to impact more people as a leader, writer, speaker, coach and trainer? Get Jon Gordon Certified if you want to be mentored by me and my team to teach my proven frameworks principles, and programs for businesses, sports, education, healthcare!

On this episode of The Jon Gordon Podcast, I sit down with Jerry Flowers Jr., dynamic pastor, speaker, and author of Heart Rehab. Jerry shares how personal trauma and inner wounds can hold us back from living fully and loving others, and why awareness is the essential first step toward healing. We dive into the inspiration for his book, the difference between reading and hearing a message, and how Heart Rehab offers practical tools, like interactive video QR codes, to help readers trace, unmask, and heal the "thieves" of anxiety and dysfunction. Jerry gets real about surrender, faith, and giving back, sharing how he's dedicated every dime from his first book to support his church's new building and community programs. If you're ready for a fresh start, want to break the cycle of overthinking, or need encouragement for your own healing journey, this heartfelt conversation with Jerry Flowers Jr. is one you won't want to miss. About Jerry, Jerry Flowers Jr. and his wife, Tanisha Flowers, are the creators and founders of Redefined TV and are passionate about redefining relationships righteously. With numerous videos that have repeatedly gone viral on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, and Facebook, along with four cross country tours, these generational trendsetters are dedicated to allowing their marriage and ministry be a stage from which people can see Jesus and a healthy model of Kingdom ministry. Heart Rehab, available in October 2025, is Jerry's debut book. The Flowerses are based in Houston, Texas, and are lead pastors at Time of Celebration Ministries Church. They are proud parents of three beautiful children, Melody, Jerry III, and Josiah Flowers.

Here's a few additional resources for you…

Follow me on Instagram: @JonGordon11

Order my new book 'The 7 Commitments of a Great Team' today!

Every week, I send out a free Positive Tip newsletter via email. It's advice for your life, work and team. You can sign up now here and catch up on past newsletters.

Ready to lead with greater clarity, confidence, and purpose? The Certified Positive Leader Program is for anyone who wants to grow as a leader from the inside out. It's a self-paced experience built around my most impactful leadership principles with tools you can apply right away to improve your mindset, relationships, and results. You'll discover what it really means to lead with positivity… and how to do it every day. Learn more here!

Join me for my Day of Development! You'll learn proven strategies to develop confidence, improve your leadership and build a connected and committed team. You'll leave with an action plan to supercharge your growth and results. It's time to Create your Positive Advantage. Get details and sign up here.

Do you feel called to do more? Would you like to impact more people as a leader, writer, speaker, coach and trainer? Get Jon Gordon Certified if you want to be mentored by me and my team to teach my proven frameworks principles, and programs for businesses, sports, education, healthcare!

In this episode of Positive Leadership Tip, I talk about the power of hearing your own voice and how speaking up builds true leadership. You'll hear why encouraging others to share and hear their voice leads to confidence, growth, and stronger teams. Listen in for a practical tip on how helping people become more vocal transforms them into leaders. If this message inspires you, share the episode and help others find and use their voice!

Here's a few additional resources for you…

Follow me on Instagram: @JonGordon11

Order my new book 'The 7 Commitments of a Great Team' today!

Every week, I send out a free Positive Tip newsletter via email. It's advice for your life, work and team. You can sign up now here and catch up on past newsletters.

Ready to lead with greater clarity, confidence, and purpose? The Certified Positive Leader Program is for anyone who wants to grow as a leader from the inside out. It's a self-paced experience built around my most impactful leadership principles with tools you can apply right away to improve your mindset, relationships, and results. You'll discover what it really means to lead with positivity… and how to do it every day. Learn more here!

Join me for my Day of Development! You'll learn proven strategies to develop confidence, improve your leadership and build a connected and committed team. You'll leave with an action plan to supercharge your growth and results. It's time to Create your Positive Advantage. Get details and sign up here.

Do you feel called to do more? Would you like to impact more people as a leader, writer, speaker, coach and trainer? Get Jon Gordon Certified if you want to be mentored by me and my team to teach my proven frameworks principles, and programs for businesses, sports, education, healthcare!

In this episode of Positive Mindset Monday, I talk about how negative thoughts are a normal part of life and not a sign that there's something wrong with you. I share why facing negativity is a universal journey and how overcoming it with positivity helps us grow stronger and become the heroes of our own stories. Tune in for reassurance and motivation to win the battle in your mind and elevate yourself and those around you. If this message encourages you, please share this episode so others can find strength in their own battles too!

Here's a few additional resources for you…

Follow me on Instagram: @JonGordon11

Order my new book 'The 7 Commitments of a Great Team' today!

Every week, I send out a free Positive Tip newsletter via email. It's advice for your life, work and team. You can sign up now here and catch up on past newsletters.

Join me for my Day of Development! You'll learn proven strategies to develop confidence, improve your leadership and build a connected and committed team. You'll leave with an action plan to supercharge your growth and results. It's time to Create your Positive Advantage. Get details and sign up here.

Do you feel called to do more? Would you like to impact more people as a leader, writer, speaker, coach and trainer? Get Jon Gordon Certified if you want to be mentored by me and my team to teach my proven frameworks principles, and programs for businesses, sports, education, healthcare!

On this episode of The Jon Gordon Podcast, I sit down with Bernard Banks—director of the Doerr Institute for New Leaders at Rice University and co-author of The New Science of Momentum—for a powerful conversation about leadership that endures.

Bernard draws on his experiences teaching at West Point, leading at Northwestern's Kellogg School, and developing future leaders at Rice to share what makes great leadership: character, competence, intentionality, and accountability. We discuss the importance of trust, positive influence, and the ability to balance results with empathy to achieve sustainable success.

Bernard also offers key insights from his new book about how leaders turn moments into momentum, breaking down practical strategies backed by research and lived experience.

Whether you're leading a team or just starting out, this episode is a reminder that leadership is about influence and impact, not just authority. Tune in for actionable inspiration to grow as a leader and make a lasting difference.

About Bernard,

Dr. Bernard (Bernie) Banks is a renowned expert in leadership and organizational change, with global experience leading and developing teams across diverse sectors. He currently serves as Director of Rice University's Doerr Institute for New Leaders and Professor in the Practice of Leadership at the Jones Graduate School of Business.

A retired U.S. Army Brigadier General, Dr. Banks led West Point's Department of Behavioral Sciences & Leadership before transitioning to academia, where he also served on the senior leadership team at Northwestern University's Kellogg School of Management.

He holds degrees from West Point, Northwestern, Columbia, Harvard, and a Ph.D. in social-organizational psychology from Columbia. His work has appeared in Harvard Business Review, Military Psychology, and The New York Times, and his latest book, The New Science of Momentum (HarperCollins, 2025), explores how great leaders and coaches build lasting impact.

Here's a few additional resources for you…

Follow me on Instagram: @JonGordon11

Order my new book 'The 7 Commitments of a Great Team' today!

Every week, I send out a free Positive Tip newsletter via email. It's advice for your life, work and team. You can sign up now here and catch up on past newsletters.

Ready to lead with greater clarity, confidence, and purpose? The Certified Positive Leader Program is for anyone who wants to grow as a leader from the inside out. It's a self-paced experience built around my most impactful leadership principles with tools you can apply right away to improve your mindset, relationships, and results. You'll discover what it really means to lead with positivity… and how to do it every day. Learn more here!

Join me for my Day of Development! You'll learn proven strategies to develop confidence, improve your leadership and build a connected and committed team. You'll leave with an action plan to supercharge your growth and results. It's time to Create your Positive Advantage. Get details and sign up here.

Do you feel called to do more? Would you like to impact more people as a leader, writer, speaker, coach and trainer? Get Jon Gordon Certified if you want to be mentored by me and my team to teach my proven frameworks principles, and programs for businesses, sports, education, healthcare!

In this episode of Positive Leadership Tip Wednesday, I dive into the importance of leading with love and how love must arrive before accountability in order to inspire real commitment and results. I share why love is the foundation for earning the right to challenge others and elevating both performance and relationships. Listen in for my thoughts on transforming burnout into buy-in and resentment into results by truly showing you're for and with your team. If this message speaks to you, share this episode and encourage others to lead with love first!

Here's a few additional resources for you…

Follow me on Instagram: @JonGordon11

Order my new book 'The 7 Commitments of a Great Team' today!

Every week, I send out a free Positive Tip newsletter via email. It's advice for your life, work and team. You can sign up now here and catch up on past newsletters.

Ready to lead with greater clarity, confidence, and purpose? The Certified Positive Leader Program is for anyone who wants to grow as a leader from the inside out. It's a self-paced experience built around my most impactful leadership principles with tools you can apply right away to improve your mindset, relationships, and results. You'll discover what it really means to lead with positivity… and how to do it every day. Learn more here!

Join me for my Day of Development! You'll learn proven strategies to develop confidence, improve your leadership and build a connected and committed team. You'll leave with an action plan to supercharge your growth and results. It's time to Create your Positive Advantage. Get details and sign up here.

Do you feel called to do more? Would you like to impact more people as a leader, writer, speaker, coach and trainer? Get Jon Gordon Certified if you want to be mentored by me and my team to teach my proven frameworks principles, and programs for businesses, sports, education, healthcare!

In this episode of Positive Mindset Monday, I talk about how you are just one thought away from transforming everything in your life. I share the power of being open to new ideas, strategies, and perspectives and how this openness can turn the impossible into possible. Let this be your reminder to embrace possibility and welcome the changes that can lead to something amazing. If this message uplifts you, share the episode with someone who could use a little encouragement today!

Here's a few additional resources for you…

Follow me on Instagram: @JonGordon11

Order my new book 'The 7 Commitments of a Great Team' today!

Every week, I send out a free Positive Tip newsletter via email. It's advice for your life, work and team. You can sign up now here and catch up on past newsletters.

Join me for my Day of Development! You'll learn proven strategies to develop confidence, improve your leadership and build a connected and committed team. You'll leave with an action plan to supercharge your growth and results. It's time to Create your Positive Advantage. Get details and sign up here.

Do you feel called to do more? Would you like to impact more people as a leader, writer, speaker, coach and trainer? Get Jon Gordon Certified if you want to be mentored by me and my team to teach my proven frameworks principles, and programs for businesses, sports, education, healthcare!

On this episode of The Jon Gordon Podcast, I sit down with Chris Malleo, co-author of The ChairLeader, for a moving conversation about his unexpected journey from college athlete to transformational leader. Chris shares how his own setbacks—on and off the field—ultimately led him to coaching, where an email from Frankie Kennevy, a nonverbal young man with cerebral palsy, changed everything.

Together, Chris and Frankie turned a struggling football program into champions, building a culture rooted in selflessness, gratitude, and the belief that attitude can overcome any circumstance. Chris reflects on the incredible lessons he learned from Frankie about resilience, teamwork, and what it really means to make an impact.

This episode is a powerful reminder that leadership is about lifting others up, and the greatest victories come from the heart. Listeners will be inspired by The ChairLeader and rethink what's possible!

About Chris,

Chris Malleo is a former Northwestern and professional football player turned coach, author, and leadership entrepreneur. As the founder of Culture Health and the author of The ChairLeader, Chris helps leaders and organizations strengthen culture through trust, alignment, and intentional leadership.

After leading one of the nation's top high school football programs — sending 48 players to college in four years — Chris transitioned into commercial real estate, where he advises high-net-worth families and businesses on large-scale investments. His unique journey from locker rooms to boardrooms gives him a rare perspective on how great cultures are built.

Grounded in faith, family, and purpose, Chris lives in Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida with his wife Ashley and their four children.

Here's a few additional resources for you…

Follow me on Instagram: @JonGordon11

Order my new book 'The 7 Commitments of a Great Team' today!

Every week, I send out a free Positive Tip newsletter via email. It's advice for your life, work and team. You can sign up now here and catch up on past newsletters.

Ready to lead with greater clarity, confidence, and purpose? The Certified Positive Leader Program is for anyone who wants to grow as a leader from the inside out. It's a self-paced experience built around my most impactful leadership principles with tools you can apply right away to improve your mindset, relationships, and results. You'll discover what it really means to lead with positivity… and how to do it every day. Learn more here!

Join me for my Day of Development! You'll learn proven strategies to develop confidence, improve your leadership and build a connected and committed team. You'll leave with an action plan to supercharge your growth and results. It's time to Create your Positive Advantage. Get details and sign up here.

Do you feel called to do more? Would you like to impact more people as a leader, writer, speaker, coach and trainer? Get Jon Gordon Certified if you want to be mentored by me and my team to teach my proven frameworks principles, and programs for businesses, sports, education, healthcare!