Abdullah Mia joins us in a fascinating conversation about his work, his background as a muslim whose family came from India and how this has influenced his life. As a Consultant Clinical Psychologist Abdullah has a profound influence upon the places he works. He describes his frequent encounters with racism, how he actively copes with this, confronting it when necessary. He shares his experiences of developing as a person, a practitioner and a leader. The title, 'Rely on your own heart and reason,....and divine inspiration', is a quotation from Homer that Abdullah endorses saying, 'this is as far away from British Psychology as it is possible to be'.

Abdullah Mia Biography

My personal history influences me as much as my professional history, therefore I come from a Indian Gujarati Muslim background, and was encouraged to celebrate other people’s cultures even though they were not my own ie. Christmas, Diwali etc.  Here began my ‘difference is OK’ experiences, in the context of ongoing anxiety about racism as I grew up.  My family also have a strong traditional element, which means hierarchies of respect entwined with patriarchal and caste based systems.  This also introduced me to difference can be ‘bad’.  This personal conflict has taken some time to understand and process and the way I have navigated difficult conversations with family and community also influence how I navigate hierarchies within my professional life.

My professional life has varied, beginning as  teaching assistant, through to a reparation officer with YOT teams in Lancashire, and then as a youth worker.  As a youth worker, I also began volunteering as an Assistant Psychologist, before a paid post in a community psychology project in Liverpool working with refugees and asylum seekers, I think unconsciously and consciously I have been always motivated to work with difference and marginalised groups, and this has contributed to me also working with offenders.  Moments of reflection seem to lead me to think that it's linked with my own experiences of inhabiting multiple worlds, and navigating these stressors and joys.  Since training as a clinical psychologist, I have also completed training in group analysis (but not the full analyst training!) and really like to incorporate how the social and political worlds present in our bodies and our minds.  This combined with my continued in how people navigate racial and ethnic differences in the work, and how this can also give us some understanding and learning about what it means to navigate multiple spheres of life, and ultimately different conflicts.

Lorna A. Rhodes is professor emeritus at the University of Washington, where she taught medical and institutional anthropology.  She is the author of Emptying Beds: The Work of an Emergency Psychiatric Unit (University of California Press 1991) and Total Confinement: Madness and Reason in the Maximum Security Prison (University of California Press 2004).  She has published several articles about HMP Grendon, where she spent a month conducting research in 2008. Every working day she went to B wing therapeutic community, attending community meetings and talking with staff and residents. This conversation looks at this experience and compares it with research done at a high secure unit in a prison in Washington State.

Michaela Booth is the National Patient Engagement Lead for Care UK’s Health in Justice service that runs healthcare in 50 prisons across England, including Hewell and Long Lartin. She also has an Honours Degree in Applied Criminology.  Michaela was sentenced to 4 years in prison for a crime she was found guilty of when she was 19 years old. She was sentenced at the age of 21 when her daughter was 4 years old.  In this powerful conversation Michaela describes her views on the criminal justice system for women and mothers and makes a convincing case for the importance of those with lived experience having leadership roles and contributing to policy.

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Dr Gwen Adshead describes her long relationship with Broadmoor Hospital. This notorious institution was built in the 19th century as Broadmoor Criminal Lunatic Asylum and accommodated many of the most disturbed pationts in the land. Gwen talks about her own development from being a psychiatrist to a psychotherapist and how her engagement with object relations and Mentalization Based Treatment helped her to deepen her understanding of deeply disturbed patients.