The Locked up Living Podcast: Surviving and thriving in prisons and other challenging environments

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The Locked up Living Podcast: Surviving and thriving in prisons and other challenging environments episodes

February 22, 2023 122. Shona Minson: Are you at risk of vicarious trauma?
The first sentence of this podcast will probably resonate with many people. Shona Minson courageously talks about the impact upon her health and wellbeing of working intimately with traumatised children and mothers. It is a very honest conversation and we are grateful to Shona for sharing her reflections with us.

Shona is currently a British Academy Post Doctoral Fellow at the Centre for Criminology. Since March 2020 she has been researching the impact of COVID-19 prison lockdowns on children who have a parent in prison.
She has provided training to judiciary on the sentencing of mothers and primary carers in England and Wales, Northern Ireland and New Zealand and the Pacific Islands. In 2018 she released the film series 'Safeguarding Children when Sentencing Mothers' for sentencers, advocates, probation staff and women facing sentence in England and Wales. She has more recently been involved in a similar series for criminal justice professionals in Scotland, which was released in April 2021.

After graduating from St.Anne's College, Oxford in Jurisprudence Shona was called to the Bar of England and Wales and practised criminal and family law from 1 King's Bench Walk, London. Her professional experience led to her research interest in the points of intersection between family and criminal law.
She obtained an MSc (Distinction) from the University of Surrey in Criminology, Criminal Justice and Social Research in 2012. Her Masters research explored the impact of motherhood as mitigation in criminal sentencing using interviews with members of the judiciary and an analysis of sentencing transcripts.
Shona then moved to the Centre for Criminology at the University of Oxford and funded by the ESRC she undertook DPhil research which analysed the place of children in maternal sentencing decisions in England and Wales. She explored the status of children of prisoners in English law and engaged directly with children and their carers to explore the nature of the impact of maternal imprisonment. She also interviewed members of the Crown Court judiciary to examine sentencing practice.
In 2017/ 2018 Shona was employed by the Faculty of Law as the Research Officer on an ESRC Impact Acceleration Award funded project in association with the Prison Reform Trust and Dr Rachel Condry. ' Addressing the Impact of Maternal Imprisonment: Developing Collaborative Training' . It built on the findings of her doctoral work and provide information, in the form of films, to sentencers and legal professionals to aid consistency and understanding in maternal sentencing decisions. The films were launched in January 2018 and are available for sentencers, advocates and probation staff. An additional film was made for women themselves facing sentence and it can be viewed here.
Shona shared her research findings with the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Human Rights in March 2018, in particular with regard to the state duty to protect children from discrimination which they may face as a consequence of the status or activities of their parents (UNCRC, Article 2). As a consequence the JCHR held an enquiry into the right to family life of children whose mother is imprisoned.

Transcript of conversation can be found here:
https://open.substack.com/pub/lockedupliving/p/are-you-at-risk-for-vicarious-trauma?r=216eb0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
52 min
February 15, 2023 121. Edson Hato - How diversity strengthens organisations
Edson Hato is an award winning executive who transforms multi-billion global companies, start-ups and scale ups through a process called “rehumanisation”. He has 20 years experience of helping businesses transform their culture to promote talent, leadership and organisational development, performance, diversity and inclusion. He started his career at Price Waterhouse Cooper but has since worked as Senior Vice President of Human Resources at Astra Zeneca, UBS, Philip Morris and ING group.
Transcript of conversation can be found here:
https://open.substack.com/pub/lockedupliving/p/edson-hato-transcription?r=216eb0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

He founded LikeMinds, a board and people advisory company to share his vision and help companies implement change. Among his many achievements, Edson is Chairman of the Advisory Board for Corporate Queer a network organisation for LGBT+ professionals to challenge the hetero-normative culture of the corporate world.

An advocate of lifelong learning, Edson is currently studying for a PhD focused on the subject of critical leader behaviours that are necessary for transformation.
https://edsonhato.nl/en
1 hr 1 min
February 08, 2023 120. Eden, Court Reporter.Workplace bullying in response to whistleblowing
Bullying at work is common and particularly pernicious when it comes from your manager. They can often become obsessed and expend enormous resources to catch you out or undermine your position. Todays conversation is from the heart as we touch upon matters that have personal meaning. Our guest is Eden. Eden is a court reporter and has worked as court reporter for two years now. She attends virtual employment Tribunals to take notes and share findings predominantly in whistleblowing hearings after having experienced the process of whistleblowing firsthand. Eden is from a, a writing and creative background and has recently written a graphic novel to highlight the serious silent epidemic within Society of Workplace bullying to help educate others, understand the horrendous traits of a adult bullying.
You can find a transcript of the conversation here:
https://open.substack.com/pub/lockedupliving/p/eden-workplace-bullying?r=216eb0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
41 min
February 01, 2023 119. Dean Kingham, prison lawyer: Is the parole process effective?
Dean has practiced in prison law for around 15 years. He is often at the forefront of the main challenges protecting the rights of prisoners and viewed as someone who works tirelessly to expose injustice and a lawyer who does not shirk from representing those for whom antipathy is to be expected from the courts, or the general public.
In 2020, he was named public law legal aid lawyer of the year, which recognised the fact he is often at the forefront of the challenging advancing prisoner rights.
He is trained in the main psychological risk assessments- HCR-20 (violence) psychological risk tool, RSVP (sexual) psychological risk tool and SAPROF (protective factors tool). Being one of a few lawyers trained in these tools he is able to better question the psychological evidence given in cases by Prison Service psychologists.
Dean also holds the following roles/positions:
Committee n a member for the Association of Prison Lawyers (APL) since 2015. He is the Parole Board lead for the APL and as a result, sits on the Parole Board user group;
Vice-chairman of Progressing Prisoners Maintaining Innocence (PPMI);
Sits on the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) User Group;
Councilmember for the Human Rights Charity Justice;
Sits on the advisory panel for Inside Justice.
[email protected] Thomas Watson Solicitors758 Holloway RoadLondonN19 3JFwww.reecethomaswatson.com

You can find a transcript of the conversation here:
https://open.substack.com/pub/lockedupliving/p/dean-kingham-typical-lefty-lawyer?r=216eb0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
1 hr 4 min
January 25, 2023 118. Caroline Purvey and Daniel Wood: The ’Total Release Experience’ programme
Caroline Purvey has dedicated over a decade to creating a unique, sustainable, cost-effective programme to eradicate unnecessary suffering from stress, overwhelm, and trauma. Her established and trusted brand TRE UK® delivers the Total Release Experience® programme which has transformed the lives of men, women, and children globally. Author of #1 bestseller ‘Feel It To Heal It’ Caroline comes highly recommended by professionals including doctors, counsellors, therapists, and psychologists. Her validated and accredited programme is adopted by Fire & Rescue, Police, and Prison Services. Her expertise is unparalleled, as is her drive and passion
Daniel Wood, is an International Speaker, and best-selling author.
Since 2012 Daniel has been Releasing for his well-being and working with his mother Caroline to share their programme with thousands.
Daniel wants to raise awareness and inspire communities and organisations to engage with the TAP process (Thoughtfully Activate the Psoas). Leading them to be an inspiration for 1 million teenagers in releasing their tension as they learn to Release, Recover, Discover.
Daniel is a father with purpose. His mission is to inspire and motivate 75,000 fathers to embrace the practice so they can lead their children to have a life tool for their stress management and can all live their best life.
Their website is https://treuk.com/
1 hr 9 min
January 18, 2023 117. Ali Coles & Neil Winter: Art Psychotherapy - making therapy accessible.
Ali and Neil talk about the work that they did together and how the art therapy 'fitted' and helped in ways that other therapies had missed.

Ali Coles is an Art Psychotherapist with Gloucestershire Health and Care NHS Foundation Trust and Visiting Lecturer at the University of South Wales; She is also Associate Editor of the International Journal of Art Therapy; She is also co-editor of Art Psychotherapy and Innovation: New Territories, Techniques and Technologies which is due to be published in July.
Neil Winter is a Barrister in Construction Law; he’s also co-author of a chapter titled ‘Curiosity, creativity and innovation in art psychotherapy’ in Ali’s forthcoming book. Together they co-authored ‘‘The silent intermediary’: which is an exploration of a client’s experience of art psychotherapy for C-PTSD'

‘The silent intermediary’: a co-authored exploration of a client’s experience of art psychotherapy for C-PTSD
Neil Winter & Ali Coles https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17454832.2021.1898425

Art Psychotherapy and Innovation: New Territories, Techniques and TechnologiesHelen Jury & Ali Coles (eds.) https://uk.jkp.com/products/art-psychotherapy-and-innovation

Submit a manuscript to the International Journal of Art Therapy for a special issue on Art therapy with people who have experienced traumaDeadline 31 March 2023 https://think.taylorandfrancis.com/special_issues/international-journal-art-therapy/
39 min
January 11, 2023 116. Robert Forde. Insider/outsider a critical perspective on forensic psychology.
I was brought up in Belfast and London, and have since lived all around England, and for 10 years in West Berlin (five years before the Wall was opened and five years after). I went to university in the late 60s, and went to work as a prison psychologist in 1971, based in several different prisons, before going to the Home Office Research Unit in London in 1978. In 1980 I left the Home Office and became a househusband for a couple of years. I then spent a couple of years as an education welfare officer (chasing truants around the estates of Milton Keynes) before my late wife accepted the deputy headship of the forces secondary school in West Berlin in 1984. We stayed there until the withdrawal of British forces in 1994. I had ambitions to be a writer, and my first novel was published in the UK in 1990. I also became a feature writer for the army newspaper there. Unfortunately, my career as a novelist is still waiting to take off! I have, however, published several novels on Amazon Kindle (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Robert-Forde/e/B00C4BJQGW/ref=aufs_dp_fta_dsk).

After returning from Germany I had no job and no recent work experience in psychology, so my wife and I bought a B&B in North Devon, and ran it for three years. In 1998 I went back to university and did a Masters degree in health psychology, and began working for an old prison service colleague who now had his own consultancy. In 2001 he retired and wound up the business, and I went into business for myself, providing services to lawyers. Mostly, this consisted of expert witness work, providing reports on individuals for courts. Initially, quite a bit of this was in the family courts, and some in criminal cases. Following a court ruling, a great deal of work was generated in the parole field, and this subsequently became most of what I did. This continued until I retired in 2016.

In 2018 my book "Bad Psychology" was published (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bad-Psychology-Forensic-Science-Behind-ebook/dp/B0713WJXFH/ref=sr_1_1?crid=SZ3S6Y44S9Q3&keywords=Bad+psychology&qid=1669024629&s=digital-text&sprefix=bad+psychology%2Cdigital-text%2C74&sr=1-1). This was pretty much my last professional work in psychology. My latest novel is the "The Psychopath’s Checklist", which is inspired by (rather than based on) some of the characters I've met, and also examines some of the criteria used to diagnose them!

I have two adult daughters and three grandsons. My late wife was diagnosed with cancer in 1999 and died in 2005. In 2010 I remarried, acquiring a stepson. Now happily retired, I am still writing novels, am a singer-guitarist and also sing with a sea shanty group called the Dorset Wrecks. As we are on the brink of moving to Sheffield, the latter will have to stop.
1 hr 15 min
January 04, 2023 115 Libby Nugent on group analysis, psychology and storytales.
Dr Libby Nugent is a Clinical Psychologist and group work practitioner of Group Psychoanalysis. She specialises in sexual health, complex trauma and group psychology. She has a longstanding interest in the need to connect with creative ways of thinking deeply about ourselves, each other, our society and the many identities we live.
Libby has an online workshop series January 2023
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/fairytales-and-formulation-in-psychology-and-psychotherapy-tickets-458257770327
Libby has a strong interest in Jungian and Group Analytic Psychoanalysis. and she is training to become a group psychoanalyst. Much of her work now is to provide reflective spaces for both members of the public and also professional groups such as senior clinicians and pre-clinically qualified psychologists; 'Providing creative ways to think deeply about ourselves, each other, our society and the many identities we live.'Webpage : Welcome to the Homepage of Dr Libby Nugent
Blog: https://www.libbynugent.com/
1 hr 4 min
December 28, 2022 114. David Bayliff Fghting addictions and the long road to rehabilitation.
* Shortly after we spoke with David he messaged us to say that hehad been approved to work in his local prison. He said "The Governor is 100% going to clear me, "I will officially be the 1st person with that length of criminal past to be given clearance into his prison" that's what the governor has said to my line manager.
So I'm chuffed about that because it shows that change in culture and mindsets can happen at the higher levels of the criminal justice system."

David Bayliff is a worker with Active Lancashire who describe themselves thus; “ Active Lancashire is the strategic lead for Sport and Physical Activity in Lancashire. We connect with like-minded local organisations and individuals to help bring about active lifestyles. We believe that sport and physical activity have the power to influence behaviours and develop skills which can have a broader, positive impact on people’s lives.” In this conversation David talks with great frankness and wit about his many years of using drugs and imprisonment and of his struggle to use his talents in a creative and positive way.
37 min
December 21, 2022 113. Dalton Harrison. The poet talks about being a trans man in the english prison system.
David first had the pleasure of meeting Dalton when visiting Ripon House, an exceptional approved premises for women in Leeds. Dalton had left the hostel some time earlier but returned to share some of his experiences with me and my colleagues. Dalton Harrison is the founder of StandFast Productions (a collective of ex-offenders who use art and performance to tell their stories) and has worked as a teaching assistant with the Inside-Out Project at Durham University.Dalton has written articles for Inside Time, Pink News and Sister Magazine x TGN, and has delivered poetry workshops alongside Durham book. He has performed at Leeds Poetry Festival s. He continues to take talks on prison issues using poetry across the country. His poetry has been published in the award-winning anthology Bloody Amazing and TransVerse II: No Time For Silence. The book The Boy Behind the Wall is his first solo collection.
41 min

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