The Locked up Living Podcast: Surviving and thriving in prisons and other challenging environments

By Podcasters David Jones & Dr Naomi MurphySociety & Culture Health & Fitness Mental Health True Crime

The Locked up Living Podcast: Surviving and thriving in prisons and other challenging environments episodes

August 11, 2021 34. Jan Banning: Artivist challenging the system
Please note this is an audio recording. To see the video with pictures click here
https://youtu.be/rGmh58M0f-0
Jan Banning is a Dutch autonomous artist/photographer, based in Utrecht, the Netherlands.
He was born in Almelo (Netherlands) on May 4, 1954, from Dutch East Indies parents, and he studied social and economic history at the Radboud University of Nijmegen. Both of these facts have had a strong influence on his photographic works.Banning’s work always has a social focus. The social political environment is put at the fore and it often concerns subjects that have been neglected within the arts and are difficult to portray: state power, consequences of war, justice and injustice. In this conversation we mainly talk about his work making portraits of prisoners in US prisons and in particular about Christina Boyer, wrongly imprisoned for the murder of her daughter. You can see more about this herehttps://gogetfunding.com/wrongfully-imprisoned-for-her-daughters-death-the-book/and read more about Jan below
https://www.janbanning.com/
1 hr 20 min
August 04, 2021 33. Jo Brittan. Sexual abuse and entitlement in the english public school system
Jo is a remarkable woman who has led an extraordinary life. Many would see her as being highly privileged but her description and understanding of the pain experienced by little children left in boarding school is painful to hear. She also speaks out about the sexual abuse which took place in Sherborne Prep School, in particular but not only, and how nobody was held to account despite the evidence.

"I guess you could describe me as a campaigner for justice for Boarding School CSA Survivors. 2009 to date. Calling for the urgent introduction of Mandatory Reporting of CSA in UK which most of the the rest of the world has had for some time. You can see in Mandate Now https://mandatenow.org.uk/

Australia are setting a great example whilst U.K. drags its heels like a petulant child.

Sherborne is an excellent example of how a microcosm society with a Prep and 2 single sex Public Schools effectively covers up CSA (in the case of Lindsays) for over 100 years and it is very like the total abuse of power by Establishment in Jersey. Absolutely horrific! Money and power always prioritised over children’s lives forever."
1 hr 29 min
July 28, 2021 32. Christoph Heubner; Poet and Vice President of the International Auschwitz Committee.
Christoph Heubner is a poet and writer of short stories. In addition he has had a long-term collaboration with the Action Reconciliation Service for Peace based in Berlin, he is Vice President of the International Auschwitz Committee and Member of the International Auschwitz Council. He has been associated with the International Youth Centre from the beginning, and is one of the founders of this institution in Oświęcim. (https://mdsm.pl/en/)
He wrote this poem for us to mark International Holocaust remembrance Day.
Remember the trees and the wind, rememberremember, the wind and the treesno, they did not surrender................please do remember these..............the smoke and the ashes, rememberremember, the ashes, the green.......no, they did not surrender................remember them, it has been......

Auschwitz is a powerful representation of the extremes of cruel and harsh imprisonment and the ideologies underlying it. But it is not alone, there were examples before and since. In this conversation Christoph talks about the effect of imprisonment on people in its most concrete form, like Auschwitz and through the actions of oppresive regimes which at times can be more difficult to discern. He talks about his early lifein an Oxford night shelter and on becoming a poet. He describes his many years of involvement with Auschwitz and with the Youth Centre, including, as allegory and metaphor, many beautiful and poiingnant tales of survivors.
In his conversation he mentions several notable people and artefacts
Vasil Bykau was an outstanding writer who wrote about experiences in the Second World War and fought politically against the 'imprisonment of the mind' that the KGB imposed and continues to impose in Belarus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasil_Byka%C5%AD
The poem that Christoph mentions at the end is by Robert Frost, 'and so many miles before I sleep....'
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42891/stopping-by-woods-on-a-snowy-evening
1 hr 2 min
July 21, 2021 31. Dennis Relojo-Howell: How blogging can help your mental health
How can blogging help your mental health? Today's guest is Dennis Relojo-Howell founder of Psychreg, a digital company that focuses on psychology, mental health, and wellness and has almost 24k subscribers to his Youtube channel. Dennis is doing a PhD in clinical psychology at the University of Edinburgh focused on blogging as a wellbeing activity. In March this year he won the competition “I’m a scientist get me out of here” which is an online programme that enables students to ask STEM professionals questions. In this conversation he tells his amazing story from being born in a Philippine backstreet to becoming a psychologist, developing his prolific website Psychreg and describing his ideas about resiliance and creativity.
https://www.psychreg.org/dennis-relojo-howell/
50 min
July 14, 2021 30. Dr Roberta Babb: gang culture, racism and forging your own way
Dr Roberta Babb is a chartered Clinical Psychologist, organisational consultant and a registered forensic psychotherapist. She and David first met when they both worked at the Millfields Unit, a forensic unit for working with men who had offended and who had personality disorders. That was about thirteen years ago so Roberta has worked in the field for a considerable time. Since then she has developed a number of creative initiatives, including some related to gang cultures, rather than settling into a conventional psychology post. In this conversation Roberta talks about her work, about racisim and about her determination to develop her own pathway where her individual contribution can be made.
51 min
July 07, 2021 29. Franz Douw & Edwin Kleiss: TBS Prisons in the Netherlands - hosting ”The Prison Show”
For this episode we are delighted to be hosting Frans Douw and Edwin Kleiss who present the “Prison Show” podcast. Although their podcast is most often recorded in Dutch, there are a number of English episodes so we would encourage you to check it out below. At the age of 20, Frans began working with young incarcerated people before heading up the Dutch Psychiatric Pre-trial Assessment Clinic for 10 years. Between 1988-2015, he was director of several houses of detention, prisons for men and woman and director of the Forensic Psychiatric Centre of the Dutch Prison System. His last position was as a Governor of several penitentiary institutes for long-term (including life-time) incarcerated people.For the last 15 years, Frans has been involved in international knowledge exchange projects within the scope of incarceration and human rights with Russia, former Soviet countries, Great Britain, the Caribbean and the USA. This international involvement sometimes occurs due to his own initiative, but he’s also worked with the Dutch ministry of Justice, NGOs like the Global Initiative on Psychiatry and Mainline and the Council of Europe.In 2011, Toon Walravens and Frans created the foundation of Recovery and Return. This foundation brings together victims, perpetrators, families and professionals and supports Restorative and Transformational Justice. The Podcast Prison Show which Edwin and Frans co-host is an activity of the foundation.
This is a link to our appearance on their Podcast which is in english as are these episodes,11, 21, 23, 29, 30, 39 and 44.

https://prisonshow.podbean.com/e/94-locked-up-living-podcast-with-naomi-murphy-david-jones-english/
1 hr 4 min
June 30, 2021 28. Lucy X: ”The knock” What happens when your partner is convicted of internet sex offences?.
Is it possible for a wife to be entirely oblivious of her husband's sexual offending? Do some people really "not know"? What's it like to discover your partner has been keeping an awful secret? How does the life of you and your children change when your partner is convicted of internet sexual offences?

We were introduced to our guest, Lucy, by Professor Winder of Nottingham Trent University who found Lucy to be a powerful and compelling speaker. This year she was invited to be key note speaker at the National Working Group tackling Child Sexual Exploitation. Many of the guests we’ve had on have been keynote speakers at national and international events but Lucy stands out as her invite wasn’t a result of her forensic research or treatment expertise but as a consequence of a path of activism that she embarked on in relation to her own experiences and her need to protect the wellbeing of her children. Lucy has a very important and moving story and we’re delighted to welcome her on to the podcast today to share some of her learning with us.
1 hr 19 min
June 23, 2021 27. Shadd Maruna: What is desistance?
In this informal and wide ranging conversation Shadd explains what is meant by desistance and how this is distinguished from the term rehabilitation. With great warmth he thinks about the importance of listening, whether as a mentor or mentee and givies his assessment of the structure of forensic psychology
Shadd Maruna is Professor of Criminology at Queen’s University Belfast and a member of the Correctional Services Accreditation and Advice Panel. He has previously held the post of Dean of Rutger’s School of Criminal Justice in the USA and worked at Cambridge and Manchester Universities.
His research focuses on desistance and the implications for reintegration into society after imprisonment. In 2001, his book, “Making Good: How ex-convicts reform and rebuild their lives” was named as outstanding contribution to Criminology in 2001.
He has since authored or edited 6 other books and has won the Hans Mattick Award for distinguished contribution to criminology in 2014 and the inaugural research medal from the Howard League for Penal Reform in 2012 for his research’s impact on real world practice.
He has been a SOROS Justice fellow, a Fulbright Scholar and a Guggenheim Fellow. He has also been involved in several Learning Together partnerships between prisons and universities and is an advisor to several organisations that advocate for rights for people who’ve previously been imprisoned.
Shadd was a long term friend and colleague of Hans Toch, Austrian American social psychologist and criminologist. Shadd said Hans 'was my mentor for my whole professional career. And my role model as a scholar. He lived a great life. To 91. He called em like he saw em and he wasn’t afraid.'
As Distinguished Professor Emeritus in the School of Criminal Justice at the University at Albany, New York Professor Toch had an enormous influence on numerous people in the criminal justice field over many years. We are just receiving news of his recent death and will post when we know more.
1 hr 33 min
June 16, 2021 26: Chris Scanlon: What led to the demise of the Henderson Hospital? (Part One)
Why do services for people diagnosed as personality disordered so often collapse?
The Henderson Hospital was one of the outstanding treatment facilities for traumatised people in the period after the second world war. It was hugely influential for psychiatric practice and the devlopment of therapeutic communities in prisons and one of the most researched institutions in the world. Yet it closed through a lack of funding at a time when fresh money for the treatment of personality disorders was coming on stream. Why and who was responsible? Fiona Warren who participated in the research which illustrated the cost effectiveness of the Henderson and Chris Scanlon who worked there towards the end in 2008, discuss these matters.
From a distance the loss of the Henderson seems mystifying and nobody seems keen to take responsibility. We shall revisit this debate and if you think you would like to contribute to this debate or know someone who could do let us know.
Fiona Warren is a Research consultant, writer, trainer and coach. She worked for ten years as a researcher with the South West London & St George's Mental Health NHS Trust based at St Georges Hospital and the Henderson Hospital. In 2005 Fiona took up a post as lecturer in psychology and eventually research director at the University of Surrey
Dr Christopher Scanlon is a Consultant Psychotherapist in general adult and forensic mental health in the NHS, he is also a Training Group Analyst at the Institute of Group Analysis. He has also worked at the Henderson Hospital the pioneering NHS facility for people with severe personality disorders.
1 hr 21 min
June 09, 2021 25. Dominique Moran: How can geography help us understand and improve prisons?
Today’s guest is Professor Dominique Moran who is professor of carceral geography Birmingham University so her expertise is in providing a geographical perspective on incarceration.
Dominique is also Chair of the Carceral geography Working Group of the Royal Geographical Society with the Institute of British Geographies.
She is author of “Carceral Geography: Spaces and Practices of Incarceration and editor of a number of texts on spatial geography and its relation to imprisonment. She is also widely published in a number of leading geographical journals.
1 hr 21 min

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