The NFPA Podcast

Nearly all jurisdictions in the United States enforce codes that require two exit stairwells in residential buildings above three or four stories. Housing advocates say that increasing the cap to six stories will lead to better housing options and lower costs. That logic has persuaded lawmakers in some U.S. states to pass laws that raise the allowed height of single exit stair buildings, bypassing state building codes. These changes have alarmed fire officials, who say that having taller buildings with only one stairwell puts the lives of residents and firefighters at risk.

With that as the backdrop, NFPA recently held a symposium where experts from both sides of the debate gathered to make their case and come to a better understanding. Today on the podcast, we talk to an NFPA engineer who helped organize the symposium. She explains the reasoning on both sides of the argument, what was learned from the discussions,  and why single exit stair rules are suddenly such a big deal in statehouses and the code development world.

LINKS:

Read the recent NFPA Journal cover story on the single exit stair debate, “Single Exit, Many Questions.”

Read the recently released NFPA report detailing the findings from the Single Exit Stair Symposium. 

As online retail flourishes, distribution centers are installing new and more advanced automated storage and retrieval systems (or ASRS). These systems are like enormous vending machines that store, organize, and move product around the facility. The systems save time and space but have also introduced several new fire risks into storage operations. Today on the podcast, we talk to a safety risk consultant and engineer who has worked on numerous ASRS projects. We discuss how these systems work, the safety challenges, and some of the new designs that are keeping fire protection engineers up at night (2:46).    Then, on a new Code Corner, engineer Shawn Mahoney discusses another concern for warehouses: making sure there is enough water supply for their massive fire sprinkler systems (28:52).

LINKS Check out a blog that illustrates the various types of ASRS

When hurricane Ian tore through Florida in September 2022, it left a trail of destruction—but not at Babcock Ranch, a 2,000-home development designed to be both sustainable and to withstand the worst natural disasters. Today on the podcast, we speak to an engineer who lives in and helped design Babcock Ranch about the community’s unique features, as well as the growing trend toward building resiliency and what it could mean for the future of disaster recovery (3:46). This episode first aired in November 2022.   Links


NBC News list of local and national charities to help victims of Hurricane Helene

Watch the 60 Minutes segment on Babcock Ranch   Read a 2015 NFPA Journal cover story on the concept of disaster resiliency

This month, a comprehensive new survey on smoke alarm use in the U.S. found that 16 percent of households—as many as 53 million people—do not having working smoke alarms. The new report comes just in time for Fire Prevention Week (Oct. 6-12), which will focus on smoke alarm use and maintenance. On today’s podcast, two NFPA experts discuss the findings of the new report, and why it is more critical than ever for residents to be educated about how to keep their smoke alarms working (3:04).    Then, on a new Code Corner, engineer Shawn Mahoney tells us what the code says about where to locate smoke alarms in residential homes (33:27). 

LINKS: 

Visit the Fire Prevention Week 2024 homepage.

Read the new U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission report on smoke and CO alarm usage in the U.S.

As fire departments increasingly focus on fire prevention and community risk reduction (CRR), several new challenges have emerged. In some cases, firefighters may resist or be apathetic to these tasks. In other cases, less obvious hurdles like hidden biases can cause departments to make missteps. Today on the podcast, a safety and wellness captain from Georgia joins us to discuss the small and big ways these factors can impact prevention work, and how departments can work to overcome them (2:45).

Then, on a new Code Corner, NFPA engineer Shawn Mahoney talks about the requirements for integrated system testing in the Life Safety Code· (41:44).

Extras:

Gary Menard’s book list:

• Unconscious Bias, Annie Burdick.
• The Heart is Noble, Ogyen Trinley Dorje
• Testosterone Rex, Cordelia Fine
• Blindspot, Mahzarin Banaji
• Sway, Ori Brafman
• Why We Make Mistakes, Joseph Hallinan
• A Mind of Its Own, Cordelia Fine
• Quiet, Susan Cain
• Sway, Pragya Agarwal (yes, a different sway!)
• The Leader’s Guide to Unconscious Bias, Pamela Fuller, Mark Murphy, Anne Chow
• The Person You Mean to Be, Dolly Chugh
• Biased, Jennifer Eberhardt
• The Art of Active Allyship, Poornima Luthra
• Thinking, Fast and Slow, Daniel Kahneman
• Everyday Bias” Identifying and Navigating Unconscious Judgements in Our Daily Lives’ Howard J. Ross
• The Blindspots Between Us, Glen Tsipursky 
• What Makes Your Brain Happy and Why You Should Do the Opposite, David DiSalvo
• You Are Now Less Dumb, David McRaney
• You Are Not So Smart, David McRaney
• How We Decide, Jonah Lehri

For fire safety educators, breaking through the noise to deliver the right messages to the people who need to hear it can be an enormous challenge. Some are increasingly turning to artificial intelligence to discover new insights and strategies. Today on the podcast, we talk to Brene Duggins, a former NFPA Educator of the Year and an early adopter of using AI tools to hone and refine fire education messaging (2:00). She tells us what she’s learned, how you can experiment with these tools, and crucially, what you need to know to avoid making mistakes. 

Then, on a new Code Corner, electrical expert Dean Austin, goes over some the key guidance in the National Electrical Code• for installing and locating receptacles for whirlpool tubs (23:02). 

Links:  Read a recent NFPA Journal cover story on how artificial intelligence could impact fire and life safety around the globe

The number of micro-distilleries in the U.S. has ballooned from just 500 in 2014, to more than 2,700 today, according to the American Craft Spirits Association. Like micro-breweries, these small-batch liquor production facilities are often tucked into urban spaces like strip malls, but unlike breweries, the beverages they produce are quite flammable. Today on the podcast, we are joined by an architect that specializes in micro-distillery design. He tells us more about how these distilleries operate, the associated hazards and fire protection considerations, and what AHJs should know (2:55). 

Then, on a new Code Corner, NFPA Engineer Brian O’Connor goes into detail about considerations for the storage of alcohol and what guidance NFPA codes offer (37:02). 

LINKS: Read a 2018 NFPA Journal feature story about the hazards and protection challenges of micro-distilleries.

Research has shown that doing wildfire mitigation work, like replacing wooden shingles or removing dead leaves from the gutters, drastically reduces the chances of your home becoming a heap of ash when a wildfire strikes. But how much does the public know about these potentially life-saving activities? Today on the podcast, we dig into a comprehensive new survey that asked residents in wildfire-prone areas what they know about mitigation, how motivated they are to act, and what obstacles stand in their way (2:04). 

Then, on a new Code Corner, NFPA engineer Val Ziavras, talks about the NFPA codes that offer guidance on protecting life and property from wildfire, and details some of the concepts involved (35:55).

LINKS:  Read the new report from the Fire Protection Research Foundation Visit NFPA's Outthink Wildfire Homepage See resources from NFPA about wildfire mitigation and how homes burn

Despite overwhelming proof that home fire sprinklers save lives, fewer than 10 percent of all new homes being built in the United States today are equipped with sprinklers, and most states refuse to mandate their use. However, fire marshals and others are finding creative ways to incentivize developers to include fire sprinklers in new housing projects, leading to thousands more protected homes. Today on the podcast, we talk to Thomas Poirier, a fire prevention officer and chair of the Massachusetts Home Fire Sprinkler Coalition, about developer incentives and tradeoffs, and what tips he has for other advocates looking to increase the number of sprinklered homes in their communities (2:02). 

Then, on a new Code Corner, Shawn Mahoney talks about the NFPA code guidance on water supply for fire sprinkler systems in one- and- two-family dwellings (23:33).

LINKS:  Check out the Home Fire Sprinkler Coalition

Get Resources, Stats, and Other Information from NFPA About Home Fire Sprinklers

Read an NFPA Journal Feature on Home Fire Sprinkler Incentives

Read a the recent NFPA report: “U.S. Experience With Sprinklers”

In March, NFPA announced the formation of a new for-profit corporation called NFPA Global Solutions, a venture unique from anything NFPA has undertaken in its history. On today’s podcast, Jim Pauley, NFPA’s president and CEO, joins us to explain the vision for NFPA Global Solutions, and why now was the right time for NFPA to branch out in this new direction (2:01).

Then, on a new Code Corner, NFPA engineer Shawn Mahoney gives you some valuable information about the code requirements for fire extinguisher inspections (23:41).

Links: Read the NFPA Journal feature on the creation and vision for NFPA Global Solutions

Visit the NFPA Global Solutions website