We sit down with Sarah Dusek to explore how a six-suite, five-star safari lodge can fund rewilding, restore soils, and open access to wilderness without compromising design, comfort, or values. We trace the path from Under Canvas to Few and Far, and dig into pricing, inclusion, funding, and carbon goals.

• glamping origins and the leap from under canvas to few and far
• operational headwinds, capital stacks, and industry maturity
• designing hybrid cliff suites with locally milled eucalyptus
• biodiversity of the soutpansberg and rewilding vision
• low-volume guiding and authentic wildlife experiences
• pricing model and nature has no price tag access
• sustainability as the floor, regeneration as the aim
• soil health, carbon sequestration, and fence removal
• the three ps framework for long-term balance
• scaling plans across 100,000 hectares by 2030
• curated global trips and independent hotel partners
• teams, grit, and staying power in tough markets
• ai for speed and personalization without losing human touch

Sarah's websites: 

fewandfarluvhondo.com

fandftravel.com

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Hilton Grand Vacations COO Gordon Gurnik shares about modern timeshares, perks, and partnerships to unlock cabins, yurts, and city condos while leaning hard into outdoor experiences. We explore unit economics, brand tiers, and why localisation and distribution decide the winners.

• Outdoor investment partnerships like Big Cedar with Bass Pro Shop
• HGV’s evolution from deeded weeks to flexible points 
• Member-only experiences from concerts to LPGA events 
• Outdoor expansion with cabins, yurts, RV pads, tiny homes 
• Build vs buy strategy and local design standards 
• Inventory mix, rental channels, and Hilton distribution 
• Operational maths of towers vs spread-out assets 
• Amenities that matter: pools, hot tubs, pickleball, wellness 
• Japan growth story and Asia gateway dynamics 
• Advice for independents: differentiate or partner for scale

If somebody's got a unique thing and they're looking for a little power, distribution and a broader network, we're always happy to talk. Reach out to [email protected].

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We sit down with Mike and Ann Howard of HoneyTrek to unpack what truly makes a glamping stay unforgettable, from soul‑led storytelling to small, high‑impact touches that guests remember for years. Their field‑tested tips show how owners can create warm arrivals, immersive experiences, sustainable operations, and thoughtful farewells without huge budgets.

• the proprietor’s why as the foundation of brand and experience
• researching Comfortably Wild by visiting 150 camps in person
• practical storytelling guests can feel
• warm arrivals that avoid logistics and build ease
• hand‑drawn maps, trails, and low‑cost land adventures
• stamped postcards and meaningful keepsakes for lasting bonds
• sustainable choices that reduce impact and add trust
• staff culture, smiles, and guest‑book rituals for retention
• start small, soft launch, iterate, and visit your comps
• early SEO, unified handles, and sharing the build in public
• partner with nearby camps for overflow and shared assets
• high‑impact amenities
• HoneyTrek’s consulting, content creation, and global book research

Learn more about Mike and Anne's service at honeytrek.com

Follow them at @honeytrek

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We chart how Ben Wolff scaled from short-term rentals to design-led outdoor resorts, sold into a public REIT, built a content-first marketing firm, and now launches a wellness agritourism brand near Miami called Baya. Clear tactics on funding, pricing, direct bookings and the partners that make it work.

• founder-level partners who own execution and upside
• debt and equity strategies across banks, CPACE, USDA and VCs
• influencer barbell strategy and content-first marketing
• 80 to 85% direct bookings as the North Star
• manual revenue management beyond algorithm defaults
• Onera’s sale, expansion and Wimberley performance
• Oasi’s offer, ROAS mindset and client profile
• Baya concept blending farm, wellness and jungle design
• light, health-forward F&B and sleep technology
• daily routines, AI workflows and energy management
• singles and doubles until capital markets open

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Onera Fredericksburg and Wimberly Property Websites: stayonera.com

Oasi Marketing & Advertising Website:  stayoasi.com

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Connor welcomes new co‑host Shari Heilala to dig into the data, the grit, and the joy that power outdoor hospitality—from feasibility studies and appraisals to design choices that actually raise rates and length of stay. Shari brings a rare mix: she’s valued massive retail portfolios, led international corporate services, developed her own apartments, and for years has guided campgrounds, RV resorts, and glamping projects with lender‑ready analysis.

We get practical on what separates a viable concept from a pretty pitch. Shari breaks down the difference between appraisals and feasibility studies, why most outdoor resort valuations are income‑driven, and how lenders read assumptions on occupancy, ADR, expenses, and debt coverage. We explore the shifts inside RV demand—why travel trailers outpace big rigs today, how tow vehicles and fuel costs shape modern rigs, and what is changing in RV resort site design. On the glamping side, we look at competitive edges that last: water access, dark skies, privacy, unique, or uniquely inspired architecture and design. 

Permitting and entitlements get real talk as well. We share how specialist architects streamline hearings, craft persuasive site plans, and help avoid costly missteps. Shari also opens up about the personal why: growing up on lakes, chasing dawn wakeboard sessions, and believing that well‑designed nature stays are durable because they restore people. 

If you’re planning a glamping site, expanding an RV resort, or just curious how the best outdoor properties are built, this conversation gives you a roadmap. 

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We trace Joe Lisa's path from college painting gigs to a $13m experiential hospitality portfolio, exploring how purpose, scrappy execution, and smarter permitting turned failures into fuel. From desert yurts to a reborn Ohio marina, we share what scales, what breaks, and why charm wins.

• Aligning purpose with business and life
• Invest in your own self development
• Soul Stay’s waterfront build and unit mix
• Permits, zoning, septic, and conditional use
• Bootstrapping Arizona and 29 Palms off‑grid
• When to sell, when to scale, when to pause
• Boutique charm versus economies of scale
• AI for guest messaging, ops, and deal sourcing
• Midwest advantages and buy‑box discipline
• Working with local government and media
• Green flags and red flags in distressed deals
• Upcoming sites in Florida and West Yellowstone

Links:

Joe Lisa Linkedin

Sol Stay Lodge and Marina in Sandusky, OH

This episode is brought to you by Clockwork Design- outdoor hospitality's top architecture & design firm. To learn more email [email protected]

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What if a small, story-rich resort could command a seven-figure brand premium—and what would it take to build one? We sit down with creator-operator Isaac French to trace the arc of Live Oak Lake.  From building Waco's first micro resort, an early Airbnb suspension that forced an unexpected direct booking strategy, and a sale shaped by the power of narrative. Isaac opens up about the choices behind fewer, better units, and why biophilic design moves both hearts and numbers.

• Live Oak Lake origin, design-led build, and early traction
• The Airbnb suspension forcing a direct booking strategy
• Unreasonable hospitality as a design and operations ethos
• Brand value, opco-propco structures, and earnest money
• Where social media is headed for hospitality 
• Biophilic design, indoor–outdoor living, and wellness
• A 200-tree orchard as living artwork and venue
• Farm hospitality as the next major opportunity
• Values-based community, family, and craft-forward living

Subscribe to Isaac’s newsletter at IsaacJFrench.com for short lessons and stories on design, hospitality, and building a better life and business
Find Isaac on socials at @IsaacFrench_

This episode is brought to you by Clockwork Design- outdoor hospitality's top architecture & design firm. To learn more email [email protected]

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A sign-off, a handover, and a candid origin story. We open with why the mic is changing hands and then dive straight into Connor’s path—from a childhood of four brothers and a legendary treehouse to a career shaped by a passion for the outdoors and a data-led obsession with outdoor hospitality investment data. You’ll hear how a sold-out weekend in Joshua Tree reframed “dirt” as valuable inventory, why the numbers pushed him from traditional camping toward glamping, and how a mother–son Kilimanjaro summit trip transformed into a year long 'R&D' trip.

Connor unpacks the deals that almost happened, including a pre-COVID lease-to-own near Smith Rock. We explore his years at Sage building investment-grade feasibility studies, harvesting comp data from hundreds of booking calendars, and partnering to elevate industry insights beyond surveys and into measurable demand. We also confront the hard parts—burnout, trade-offs, and choosing a mission..

Looking forward, Connor maps a clear product vision: hard‑walled, glass‑forward cabins within two hours of major cities, 20–50 keys, indoor–outdoor living without the canvas headaches, and operations designed for an unplugged guest experience. He’s stepping into US‑wide brokerage with his brother while continuing selective consulting and feasibility work, aiming to help founders buy smarter, fund faster, and build places that connect with the natural world. If you care about glamping strategy, outdoor resort feasibility, and the “why” that keeps teams going when permits stall and spreadsheets glare, this one’s for you.

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Soon, we’ll be renaming the show to “The Outdoor Hospitality Podcast” to better reflect our mission and expand our content horizons. Make sure to follow and subscribe so you don’t lose us due to the change.

This transformation stems from our core purpose: empowering entrepreneurs and business owners who are creating unique properties that that get people outside. Ultimately, we want our work to help people disconnect from the stressors of daily life and reconnect with nature, loved ones, and themselves.

The new name aligns perfectly with our partnership with Sage Outdoor Advisory, whose expertise spans the entire outdoor accommodation spectrum. Moving forward, we’ll broaden our coverage beyond glamping to include landscape resorts, RV parks, campgrounds, and other innovative outdoor lodging concepts.

We’re also investing heavily in the podcast’s future—with improved production quality and an exciting lineup of industry leaders. To ensure you don’t miss any episodes, follow us on your preferred podcast platform today.

If you’re attending the upcoming Glamping Show, stop by the Sage Outdoor Advisory or Posh Outdoors booth to say hello. We’re excited to continue this journey with you as we explore the ever-evolving world of outdoor hospitality.

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Nick makes a big announcement about stepping back from the podcast to focus 100% on Posh Outdoors and scaling that business.  Shari Heilala the CEO of Sage Outdoor Advisory has stepped up as the new Co-Host joining Connor.  

Nick shares the latest updates and insights on Posh's successful launch out of the gates. 

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