The Publishing Performance Show

Eddie Rice is the founder of Eloquent Mind and author of the bestselling book "Toast: Short Speeches, Big Impact." With a background in PR and public relations, Eddie specializes in helping authors transition from invisible to in-demand through strategic podcast appearances and speech writing. His "Your Book, Your Voice" approach focuses on helping authors leverage their written expertise into spoken word opportunities, whether through podcast guesting, keynote speeches, TEDx talks, or virtual speaking engagements. Eddie believes that appearing on 100 episodes of other people's podcasts is far more effective than starting your own podcast with 100 episodes.

In this episode:

• Why podcast guesting is more effective than starting your own podcast
• The importance of positioning and finding your unique angle
• How to research and find the right podcasts for your niche
• Creating a compelling 2-3 page media kit that gets results
• Specific strategies for fiction authors to get podcast bookings
• The ladder method: starting small and building up to bigger shows
• Live case study with Teddy demonstrating the consultation process
• Tools and platforms for podcast research and content repurposing
• How to maximize each podcast appearance through promotion
• Building long-term partnerships with podcast hosts

Resources mentioned:

• ListenNotes.com (free podcast directory with listener scores)
• Rephonic (premium podcast directory - $99/month with detailed analytics)
• Headliner app (for creating audiograms from podcast clips)
• Blaze.ai (automated content creation and scheduling)
• ChatGPT (for repurposing podcast content into blogs and social posts)
• Commit Action program (high-leverage task prioritization)
• Trust Me, I'm Lying by Ryan Holiday (PR strategy book)

Book Recommendations:

• "The Road" by Cormac McCarthy: https://www.amazon.com/Road-Cormac-McCarthy/dp/0307387895
• "Trust Me, I'm Lying" by Ryan Holiday: https://www.amazon.com/Trust-Me-Lying-Confessions-Manipulator/dp/1591846285

Connect with Eddie Rice:

• Website: eloquentmind.co
• Course: https://eddie-s-school-406c.thinkific.com/courses/speak-to-podcast-guest-course?utm_source=website&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=organic

Connect with Teddy Smith:

• @teddyagsmith
• Website: https://publishingperformance.com/?ref=ywm3mtc
• Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/publishingperformance/
• Pinterest - https://nz.pinterest.com/publishingperformance/
• Instagram - https://instagram.com/publishingperformanceinsta
• Youtube -https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHV6ltaUB4SULkU6JEMhFSw
• Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/company/publishing-performance/

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O'Cyrus Ink is a multi-genre author and publisher who specializes in poetry, children's fiction, young adult horror, and middle grade horror. Currently serving in the military while building his publishing career, he founded O'Cyrus Ink Publishing to help authors, particularly teenagers and young adults, navigate the publishing world. His approach focuses on finding the core message behind every story and helping authors connect authentically with their target audience. He also hosts "The Authors Lounge" podcast, dedicated to educating younger generations of writers and creators.

In this episode:

• Balancing military service with a growing publishing career
• Why he chose not to wait 20 years to pursue his publishing dreams
• Writing across multiple genres: poetry, children's books, and horror
• The importance of having a specific message and target audience
• How his first book "Sacred" taught him valuable marketing lessons
• A powerful personal story behind his poetry about saving his son's life
• Research strategies for different genres and demographics
• Working with authors to develop authentic stories and illustrations
• The book award submission process and how awards open doors
• Building a publishing business focused on helping younger authors
• Using social media algorithms to research your genre and audience

Resources mentioned:

• Book Award Pro: https://bookawardpro.com/
• Amazon KDP: https://kdp.amazon.com/
• Dale Roberts' YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/SelfPublishingwithDale
• The Authors Lounge podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-authors-lounge-with-ocyrus/id1798844577

Book Recommendations:

• Works by Stephen King
• Coraline by Neil Gaiman: https://www.amazon.com/Coraline-Neil-Gaiman/dp/0380807343
• Five Nights at Freddy's series

Connect with O'Cyrus Ink:

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/livewithocyrus/#
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/o-cyrus-
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCchV83duiL1DlTeJf562IOw
• Podcast: The Authors Lounge

Connect with Teddy Smith:

• @teddyagsmith
• Website: https://publishingperformance.com/?ref=ywm3mtc
• Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/publishingperformance/
• Pinterest - https://nz.pinterest.com/publishingperformance/
• Instagram - https://instagram.com/publishingperformanceinsta
• Youtube -https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHV6ltaUB4SULkU6JEMhFSw
• Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/company/publishing-performance/

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Julie Broad is the founder of Book Launches, a comprehensive service that helps nonfiction authors successfully launch their books to market. She's also the founder of the Future of Book Marketing Summit and creator of the Author Launch Kit software. With extensive experience in book marketing, Julie has helped hundreds of authors navigate the complex world of book launches and platform building, focusing specifically on nonfiction titles that serve as business development tools.

In this episode:

• The biggest mistake authors make: thinking about marketing after the book is finished
• Why marketing should start the minute you decide to write a book
• The importance of identifying your specific reader before writing
• Creating "the hook" - understanding the outcome of the outcome for your readers
• Timeline for book launches: 6-9 months from draft to launch
• Essential pre-launch activities: early reviewers, editorial reviews, podcast interviews
• Using books as business tools rather than just focusing on book sales
• Recent changes to Amazon's ranking system and bestseller flags
• How AI and ChatGPT are changing book discovery and marketing
• The evolution of content marketing and new distribution channels

Resources mentioned:

• Author Launch Kit software: https://booklaunchers.com/alk/
• Future of Book Marketing Summit (June 19-21): https://booklaunchers.com/alk-summit/
• Amazon KDP platform: https://kdp.amazon.com/
• ChatGPT: https://openai.com/index/chatgpt/
• Book Launches services: https://booklaunchers.com/top-self-publishing-services-for-authors/

Book Recommendations:

• Fever Pitch by Ben Wiener: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F72ZR4RS?&linkCode=ll1&tag=pubperf-20&linkId=400c65572fa1761b41f901ed6233057c&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
• YouTube for Authors by Dale Roberts; https://www.youtube.com/c/SelfPublishingwithDale

Connect with Julie Broad:

• Book Launches: https://booklaunchers.com/
• Future of Book Marketing Summit registration: https://booklaunchers.com/alk-summit/
• Author Launch Kit software: https://booklaunchers.com/alk/
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/julieabroad

Connect with Teddy Smith:

• @teddyagsmith
• Website: https://publishingperformance.com/?ref=ywm3mtc
• Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/publishingperformance/
• Pinterest - https://nz.pinterest.com/publishingperformance/
• Instagram - https://instagram.com/publishingperformanceinsta
• Youtube -https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHV6ltaUB4SULkU6JEMhFSw
• Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/company/publishing-performance/

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David P. Perlmutter is a bestselling author with 17 published books, including his breakthrough memoir "Wrong Place Wrong Time" which has garnered over 4,000 reviews and achieved bestseller status across multiple Amazon categories. What started as therapeutic blog writing in Portugal became a successful writing career when his editor friend recognized the potential in his raw, honest storytelling. David writes primarily in first person narrative, allowing readers to "walk the journey" with him through his true stories and crime thrillers. Beyond writing, he's actively working to adapt his "Right to Kill" crime thriller series for television, demonstrating the entrepreneurial spirit needed in today's publishing landscape. 

In this episode:

• Journey from therapeutic blog writing in Portugal to bestselling author
• The importance of writing in your authentic voice and style
• How a traumatic experience in Spain became his breakthrough book
• Building a social media following through genuine engagement and helping others
• The reality of traditional publishing vs. self-publishing marketing
• Transitioning from books to screenwriting and TV adaptation
• Bold networking strategies that connect with celebrities and actors
• The challenges of getting film/TV projects greenlit without major representation
• Writing process: acting out scenes and reading dialogue aloud for authenticity

Resources mentioned:

• Amazon KDP: https://kdp.amazon.com/

Book Recommendations:

• "Midnight Express": https://www.amazon.com/dp/0988981440?&linkCode=ll1&tag=pubperf-20&linkId=400c65572fa1761b41f901ed6233057c&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
• "The Firm" by John Grisham: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0440245923?&linkCode=ll1&tag=pubperf-20&linkId=400c65572fa1761b41f901ed6233057c&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Connect with David P. Perlmutter:

• LinkTree: https://linktr.ee/DavidPPerlmutter
• Amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/stores/author/B0089Y9DW0
• Twitter/X: https://x.com/davepperlmutter?lang=en
• Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/davidpperlmutter/?hl=en
• LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/davidpperlmutter
• "Wrong Place Wrong Time":https://www.amazon.com/dp/1484898109?&linkCode=ll1&tag=pubperf-20&linkId=400c65572fa1761b41f901ed6233057c&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
• "Five Weeks": https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00UGHUZDY?&linkCode=ll1&tag=pubperf-20&linkId=400c65572fa1761b41f901ed6233057c&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Connect with Teddy Smith:

• @teddyagsmith
• Website: https://publishingperformance.com/?ref=ywm3mtc
• Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/publishingperformance/
• Pinterest - https://nz.pinterest.com/publishingperformance/
• Instagram - https://instagram.com/publishingperformanceinsta
• Youtube -https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHV6ltaUB4SULkU6JEMhFSw
• Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/company/publishing-performance/

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Robert A. Lane is an audiobook producer, coach, and author with over 30 years of experience in the entertainment industry, including 14 years at 20th Century Fox. After his entertainment career ended when Disney acquired Fox, Robert founded Robert Lane Coaching and created the "Your Book, Your Voice" program, which helps nonfiction authors narrate and produce their own audiobooks in just six weeks. With his extensive audio background starting in radio, Robert specializes in helping authors overcome their voice insecurities and create compelling audiobook narrations while handling all the technical editing and publishing aspects.

In this episode:

• Robert's transition from 30+ years in entertainment to audiobook coaching
• Why nonfiction authors should narrate their own audiobooks for authenticity
• The "Your Book, Your Voice" six-week DIY audiobook program
• Essential equipment needed for professional-quality home recording
• Overcoming voice insecurities and building narration confidence
• Recording process: timing, preparation, and best practices
• Distribution strategies for ACX, Audible, Amazon, Apple, and other platforms
• Common recording mistakes and how to avoid them
• Step-by-step process from consultation to published audiobook
• Audiobook launch strategies and marketing approaches

Resources mentioned:

• Shure MV7 microphone (recommended equipment)
• ACX (Audiobook Creation Exchange) for Audible/Amazon distribution
• Authors Republic for wider distribution to 40+ platforms
• Sound-accurate headphones for monitoring
• Robert's "Your Book, Your Voice" coaching program: https://calendly.com/yourbookyourvoice/audiobook-onboarding

Book Recommendations:

• "Purgatory to Paradise" by Malwish Syed: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BFTMJJK3?&linkCode=ll1&tag=pubperf-20&linkId=400c65572fa1761b41f901ed6233057c&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
• "Lights Action You" by Robert A. Lane: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGKX6BD2?&linkCode=ll1&tag=pubperf-20&linkId=400c65572fa1761b41f901ed6233057c&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Connect with Robert A. Lane:

• Website: https://www.robertlanecoaching.com/
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/robertlanecoaching/
• Youtube: https://bit.ly/RobertLaneCoachingYouTube
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/robertlanecoaching/
• Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-a-lane/

Connect with Teddy Smith:

• @teddyagsmith
• Website: https://publishingperformance.com/?ref=ywm3mtc
• Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/publishingperformance/
• Pinterest - https://nz.pinterest.com/publishingperformance/
• Instagram - https://instagram.com/publishingperformanceinsta
• Youtube -https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHV6ltaUB4SULkU6JEMhFSw
• Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/company/publishing-performance/

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Daniel Hurst is a bestselling author with over 75 published books, primarily in the psychological thriller genre. Known for his rapid writing pace and prolific output, Daniel successfully transitioned from a procurement officer to a full-time author within just a few years. His breakthrough book "Till Death Do Us Part" allowed him to quit his day job, and he later achieved UK number one bestseller status with "The Doctor's Wife" through his publisher Bookouture. As a hybrid author, Daniel balances both self-publishing and traditional publishing, consistently delivering psychological thrillers that keep readers hooked with unexpected twists and compelling characters.

In this episode:

• Journey from childhood writing dreams to becoming a full-time author
• Transitioning from office work as a procurement officer to writing
• Writing process: from "pantsing" to structured outlining
• Achieving rapid writing speeds of 5,000-10,000 words per day
• The breakthrough success of "Till Death Do Us Part" that replaced his salary
• Marketing strategies that worked: Facebook ads and consistent newsletters
• Balancing self-publishing with traditional publishing as a hybrid author
• Time management and discipline required to build a writing career
• Common mistakes new authors make and how to avoid them
• Building a consistent reader base through regular book releases

Resources mentioned:

• 20 Books to 50K Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/20Booksto50k/
• Craig Martell's writing community
• Facebook advertising platform
• KDP (Kindle Direct Publishing) dashboard: 
• Bookouture:https://bookouture.com/

Book Recommendations:

• Before and Laughter by Jimmy Carr

Connect with Daniel Hurst:

• Website: http://www.danielhurstbooks.com
• Free book download and newsletter signup available on website
• Latest book: "The Baby Swap" available on Amazon
• Weekly newsletter every Sunday with book updates and personal life

Connect with Teddy Smith:

• @teddyagsmith
• Website: https://publishingperformance.com/?ref=ywm3mtc
• Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/publishingperformance/
• Pinterest - https://nz.pinterest.com/publishingperformance/
• Instagram - https://instagram.com/publishingperformanceinsta
• Youtube -https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHV6ltaUB4SULkU6JEMhFSw
• Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/company/publishing-performance/

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Damon Courtney is the creator of BookFunnel, a platform that helps authors deliver digital books to readers and build marketing funnels. A former self-published fantasy author who published a trilogy in 2011, Damon created BookFunnel to solve the problem of easily delivering free books to readers' devices. What started as a simple solution for getting ebooks onto Kindles has evolved into a comprehensive platform that now delivers approximately 150,000 books per day and offers tools for author collaboration, group promotions, and building reader relationships.

In this episode:

• What a book funnel is and how it differs from traditional marketing
• The reader journey from discovery to becoming a superfan
• How to create effective reader magnets and lead capture systems
• Using group promotions to collaborate with other authors
• Author swaps for cross-promotion opportunities
• Different strategies for fiction vs. nonfiction funnels
• The lifetime value of readers and how to calculate it
• Creating bonus content to capture readers at the end of books
• Why giving away multiple books can be more effective than one
• Building organic vs. inorganic traffic through book funnels

Resources mentioned:

• BookFunnel.com - https://bookfunnel.com/
• Scrivener - https://scrivener.app/
• Vellum - https://vellum.pub/
• Atticus - https://www.atticus.io/
• Group promotions 
• Author swaps

Connect with Damon Courtney:

• Website: https://bookfunnel.com/

Connect with Teddy Smith:

• @teddyagsmith
• Website: https://publishingperformance.com/?ref=ywm3mtc
• Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/publishingperformance/
• Pinterest - https://nz.pinterest.com/publishingperformance/
• Instagram - https://instagram.com/publishingperformanceinsta
• Youtube -https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHV6ltaUB4SULkU6JEMhFSw
• Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/company/publishing-performance/

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Nat Eliason is a writer, entrepreneur, and founder of multiple successful online businesses who is now pivoting to science fiction writing. After securing a $275,000 advance for his traditionally published non-fiction book "Crypto Confidential" with Penguin Random House, Nat has chosen to self-publish his debut science fiction novel "Husk." His entrepreneurial approach to book publishing includes a strong focus on professional production quality, direct sales through his own website, and leveraging his existing audience while building new channels specifically for his fiction work.

In this episode:

• Nat's transition from traditional publishing to self-publishing
• Creating a high-quality self-published book that doesn't look self-published
• The importance of investing in professional cover design and formatting
• Using Ingram Spark vs. Amazon KDP for print-on-demand
• Leveraging an existing audience for a genre pivot
• Building a marketing strategy focused on BookTube and Bookstagram
• The value of preselling books through your own website
• Nat's process for plotting and writing his novel in just four weeks
• How Nat's background in philosophy informed his sci-fi worldbuilding
• The challenge of keeping track of complex worldbuilding details
• Strategies for launching without a fiction-specific audience

Resources mentioned:

• Ingram Spark - For high-quality print-on-demand paperbacks and hardcovers
• Shopify - For selling signed book copies directly to readers
• Story Origin - Newsletter swap platform (mentioned by Teddy)
• Book Funnel - Reader magnet platform (mentioned by Teddy)
• Google Notebook LM - AI tool for organizing book details (mentioned by Teddy)

Book Recommendations:

• "Husk" - Nat's sci-fi debut novel about digital immortality
• "Neuromancer" by William Gibson - Classic cyberpunk that inspired Nat
• "Dune" by Frank Herbert - Example of long-lasting fiction impact

Connect with Nat Eliason:

• Website: nateliason.com
• Substack: blog.nateliason.com
• Book website: huskbook.com

Connect with Teddy Smith:

• @teddyagsmith
• Website: https://publishingperformance.com/?ref=ywm3mtc
• Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/publishingperformance/
• Pinterest - https://nz.pinterest.com/publishingperformance/
• Instagram - https://instagram.com/publishingperformanceinsta
• Youtube -https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHV6ltaUB4SULkU6JEMhFSw
• Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/company/publishing-performance/

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Joanna Penn is an award-winning author, New York Times and USA Today bestseller, and host of The Creative Penn podcast. With experience spanning both fiction (under J.F. Penn) and non-fiction, Joanna has built a sustainable writing business over nearly two decades. After leaving her IT consultant career in 2011, she's created multiple income streams from her writing and writing-adjacent activities while publishing over 50 books. Her latest fiction release is "Death Valley," and she's currently working on the 4th edition of "Successful Self-Publishing."

In this episode:

• Joanna's journey from IT consultant to full-time author
• How her definition of success evolved over time
• Multiple income streams for both fiction and non-fiction authors
• Strategies for making a living with writing beyond just book sales
• The importance of building an email list from day one
• Her "50 books by 50" milestone and creating a body of work
• Discovery writing vs. plotting approaches
• Using AI tools to enhance creativity and productivity
• The "great splintering" of indie publishing business models
• Creating premium products like special editions for higher income

Resources mentioned:

• The Creative Penn Podcast
• Books and Travel Podcast
• Scrivener: https://scrivener.app/
• ProWritingAid: https://prowritingaid.com/
• Google Notebook LM: https://notebooklm.google/
• Midjourney: https://www.midjourney.com/
• ElevenLabs: https://elevenlabs.io/
• PickFu - https://www.pickfu.com/
• Patreon  https://www.patreon.com/

Book Recommendations:

• "Successful Self-Publishing" (4th Edition coming soon): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F66QLTL9?&linkCode=ll1&tag=pubperf-20&linkId=400c65572fa1761b41f901ed6233057c&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
• "Death Valley" - Her latest thriller: https://jfpenn.com/deathvalley
• "How to Write a Novel" : https://www.amazon.com/dp/1915425093?&linkCode=ll1&tag=pubperf-20&linkId=400c65572fa1761b41f901ed6233057c&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Connect with Joanna Penn:

• Fiction website: https://jfpenn.com/
• Non-fiction website: https://www.thecreativepenn.com/
• The Creative Penn Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-creative-penn-podcast-for-writers/id309426367
• Books and Travel Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/books-and-travel/id1454367912

Connect with Teddy Smith:

• @teddyagsmith
• Website: https://publishingperformance.com/?ref=ywm3mtc
• Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/publishingperformance/
• Pinterest - https://nz.pinterest.com/publishingperformance/
• Instagram - https://instagram.com/publishingperformanceinsta
• Youtube -https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHV6ltaUB4SULkU6JEMhFSw
• Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/company/publishing-performance/

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Aurora Winter is the founder of SamePage Publishing and author of "Turn Words into Wealth." With a background as a film and television executive producer and award-winning screenwriter, Aurora now helps entrepreneurs, experts, and business leaders leverage books to grow their businesses. Her "Spoken Author Method" helps clients create high-quality books faster by speaking their content, which is then polished by her team. Aurora focuses on strategic book creation that can generate a 10X return on investment through backend products, speaking opportunities, and premium client acquisition.

In this episode:

• Seven blueprints for creating seven-figure income from your book
• Using short books as lead magnets to test market demand
• Building a business beyond just book sales
• Developing a speaking career through strategic book positioning
• Creating premium client funnels through targeted books
• Importance of proper book testing before publication
• Effective book launch strategies for maximum impact
• Tips for becoming more charismatic as a speaker
• The importance of ongoing business improvement
• Benefits of independent publishing vs. traditional publishing

Resources mentioned:

• Turn Words into Wealth - Aurora's comprehensive book - https://turnwordsintowealth.com/
• Marketing Fast Track 
• Publisher Rocket - https://publisherrocket.com/
• Klytics - https://k-lytics.com/
• PickFu.com - https://www.pickfu.com/
• BookCall.biz - https://bookcall.biz/

Book Recommendations:

• The Talent Code by Daniel Coyle - https://www.amazon.com/dp/055380684X?&linkCode=ll1&tag=pubperf-20&linkId=400c65572fa1761b41f901ed6233057c&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Connect with Aurora Winter:

• Website: https://aurorawinter.com/
• Publishing company: https://samepagepublishing.com/
• Free ebooks: https://turnwordsintowealth.com/
• Book a call: https://bookcall.biz/

Connect with Teddy Smith:

• @teddyagsmith
• Website: https://publishingperformance.com/?ref=ywm3mtc
• Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/publishingperformance/
• Pinterest - https://nz.pinterest.com/publishingperformance/
• Instagram - https://instagram.com/publishingperformanceinsta
• Youtube -https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHV6ltaUB4SULkU6JEMhFSw
• Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/company/publishing-performance/

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