Live from the 2025 Nonference, Mike and Tim (In the same room) are joined in studio by Journey Church Pastors Suzie P. Lind and Sam Barnhart. What does it mean to truly deconstruct faith, and how can that journey lead to healing? In this heartfelt and thought-provoking conversation, the hosts tackle the complexities of "deconstruction," exploring disillusionment, doubt, discipleship, and ultimately, the pursuit of Jesus amidst cultural challenges.

From addressing church hurt and systemic issues to reexamining theologies and navigating the intersection of faith and politics, this episode unpacks the role of the church in society and the personal journeys that shape our understanding of Christianity. Through themes of justice, cruciformity, and reimagining what it means to follow Jesus, the discussion dives deep into how cultural realities and historical practices influence our faith. The panel shares stories of heartbreak and hope, challenging the idea that questioning or rethinking faith is a departure from Jesus—instead, it’s often a move toward deeper authenticity.

Whether you're wrestling with theological questions, processing church trauma, or striving to navigate cultural issues as a follower of Jesus, this episode offers a space for reflection and community. Feel free to share your thoughts, send in your questions, or engage with us on Facebook and Instagram. Let’s continue pursuing a faith marked by humility, curiosity, and justice together.

CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Welcome to the Nonference 02:12 - The Tennessee Buzz 04:35 - Deconstruction: A Second Innocence 07:11 - The Six D's of Deconstruction 14:46 - Why People Are Disillusioned 18:18 - Did the Church Move or Did the Curtain Open 23:16 - Deconstruction as Repentance 28:32 - Discipleship in Deconstruction 29:41 - Understanding Deconversion 32:44 - Redefinition in Faith 34:58 - Navigating Doubt 38:50 - Biblical Foundations of Deconstruction 41:00 - Purpose of Inference 42:26 - Q&A: Insights from Stafford 49:49 - National Park Moments 51:09 - Experiencing Death and Grief 56:32 - Neuroscience of Belief 56:41 - Josh McDowell and the Talking Snake 1:02:40 - Embracing the Power of Weakness 1:03:12 - Thank You 1:04:08 - Credits

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