This week, Kevin and Casey discuss the sudden breakdown between President Trump and Elon Musk, whose disagreements over the policy bill before Congress quickly erupted into an all-out feud. Then, an ex-DOGE coder explains what it was really like to work inside the Trump administration’s cost-cutting arm. And finally, the former New York Times restaurant critic Pete Wells explains why some chefs are turning to A.I. for inspiration.

Guests:

• Sahil Lavingia, C.E.O. of Gumroad, who spent 55 days working for DOGE
• Pete Wells, New York Times restaurant critic from 2012 through 2024

Additional Reading:

• If Elon Musk and President Trump Divorce, Who Gets Silicon Valley?
• This Year’s Hot New Tool for Chefs? ChatGPT.

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