The Wellness Compass Podcast

The Wellness Compass Podcast

By D. Scott Stoner, LMFT & Holly Hughes Stoner, LMFTHealth & FitnessMental Health
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  • We Don't Talk About... (Episode 22)

    A Disney movie was the last place we expected to find powerful and profound insight about what happens when families avoid having difficult conversations. And yet that is just what we discovered when we recently sat down and watched their latest movie entitled, "Encanto."

    We promise not to share too many details about the movie, in case you haven't watched it yet. Even if you haven't seen the movie, you may have heard the song "We Don't Talk About Bruno," one of the many popular tunes from the film. (You can listen to it HERE). The title of this song describes an all too common way people avoid difficult or unpleasant conversations, which is to adopt an attitude of "we don't talk about ……." In "Encanto," the reason for shunning the family member named Bruno is that he has dared to speak of things the family doesn't want to think about, let alone discuss. His family instead pretends that he doesn't exist, trying to ignore the problem rather than face the truth he has spoken. I

    t is not unusual for groups of people (families, friends, organizations, etc.) to have unwritten rules about things that should not be discussed. Some common examples are:

    "We don't talk about conflict,

    "We don't talk about money,

    "We don't talk about how much so and so drinks,

    "We don't talk about our feelings, and "We don't talk about religion, sex, or politics."

    It is easy to internalize these unwritten rules as simply a given that can't be questioned if everyone silently agrees to follow them as a way of keeping a false sense of peace. The paradox is that not talking about something difficult usually makes it worse, as the suppressed emotions build in intensity. So not talking about conflict, for example, almost always guarantees the conflict will eventually spill out in a way that is likely hurtful to all involved.

    We don't think it's too much of a spoiler to let you know that "Encanto" has a happy ending. After all, it is a Disney movie. The hopeful ending is made possible because the Madrigals (Bruno's family) learn to, in the words of the Brené Brown quote above, "Be brave enough to start a conversation that matters."

    It does indeed take courage to start such conversations. But if you have any doubt about the healing effects of taking such a risk, then make time soon to watch "Encanto." Before long, you too will be singing along with the soundtrack (written by Lin Manuel Miranda), and maybe, just maybe, you will find yourself becoming a little braver when it comes to talking about hard things. Making It Personal: Are you aware of any unwritten rules you have internalized about things that one should avoid discussing? Can you think of a time when you or someone you care about took the risk to start a difficult conversation? What did you learn from that experience? Is there a conversation you want to start with someone right now? If so, what is the first step you need to take to do so?

    20 min
  • What You Appreciate, Appreciates--Episode 21

    What You Appreciate, Appreciates

    A few weeks ago, we wrote about several specific things we can do to strengthen any relationship. One of the things we mentioned was the simple practice of showing appreciation. This week we want to expand a little more on this because we know that, while simple, it is easy to forget the importance of offering appreciation regularly and freely. It is worth noting that the root for the word appreciation also serves as a root for the words precious, price, and praise. This helps us realize that when we praise someone, we help them feel precious and increase their sense of value and self-worth.

    When we think of the act of showing appreciation, we find it helpful to think of a continuum. The person who has a habit of actively and regularly showing appreciation is on the far right side of the continuum. On the other end, the far left side is someone who is instead often critical and for whom depreciating others happens regularly. In the middle of the continuum—the neutral point—is a person who is neither appreciative nor critical. When we are at this neutral point, we are likely taking others for granted. In reality, we may feel appreciative of others but rarely make the effort to express it, so others never know.

    Imagine taking a potted plant in a shady corner of the room and moving it in front of a southern-facing window on a bright sunny day. Soon you will see the plant stretching tall and opening up to the sunlight. Appreciation has the same effect on people. But don't just take our word for it. Try it yourself, and notice how gradually the person you are showing appreciation to opens up their heart to you and may even stand just a little bit taller. Here are some examples of the principle of "what we appreciate, appreciates." If we tell a child how precious they are to us simply because we want them to know how much we love them, we will likely see their face light up, if not their whole body. If we let someone know we appreciate their efforts to face a complex challenge, we will increase their self-confidence and commitment to keep working to overcome their challenge. If we express our gratitude and appreciation for something that someone does for another, we encourage more acts of kindness. When we call someone who is alone and who could use a little appreciation, we make them feel cared about and likely make their day.

    We are sure you can think of additional examples from your own life of how "what we appreciate, appreciates," and we encourage you to do so. We want to express how much we appreciate you! Thank you for reading our column each week (and for those who listen to our companion podcast, thank you also), and thank you for the feedback you often give to us. It means the world to us, and please know will never take that for granted. Making It Personal Prompts: In general, where would you place yourself on the continuum of being critical—taking for granted (neutral)—being appreciative? Are you happy with your response? Can you think of a time when you experienced the power of appreciation—either when you expressed appreciation to someone else or when someone appreciated you? How did it feel? Is there a specific person in your life that you would like to offer more appreciation to right now?

    19 min
  • The Gift of Listening, Episode 20

    The Gift of Listening

    Last week's column talked about the importance of nurturing our relationships on a regular basis, remembering that the "grass is always greener where we water it." We talked about three specific ways to strengthen any relationship: listening, expressing appreciation, and making time to play and have fun together. This week's column focuses on the gift of listening.

    Listening is a skill that can be learned and developed, just like any other skill. With attention and intention, we can all become better listeners. In high school and college, we both remember how we attended several classes which focused on public speaking, but neither of us can recall a class that focused on being a better listener.

    If we have any doubt about how valuable the gift of listening is, we only need to remember back to a time when someone extended the gift of deep, authentic listening to us. This may have been a time when someone listened not just to our words but the feelings beneath the words. How did that feel? Chances are, we felt like our spirits had been lifted, and both our well-being and our relationship with the person who offered us the gift of listening were both a bit greener due to this watering we were given.

    Because we are marriage and family therapists, people reach out to us to talk about what's on their minds. During the pandemic, people have often said, "I don't expect you or anyone else to solve my challenges. And I don't need advice or superficial positivity. Mostly I just need someone to listen. I want to feel heard and understood." Don't we all long for this?

    Valentines Day has come and gone, and the need to nurture and care for our relationships with our friends, families, colleagues, and neighbors remains. And one of the best ways any of us can do that is to offer others the simple gift of deep and authentic listening.

    Making It Personal (We offer these prompts to help you listen more deeply to what emerges for you as you reflect on what you have read).

    1. Are you aware of any habits that interfere with you being a good listener, such as interrupting, giving advice, being distracted by screens, or multitasking?
    2. What's one thing you could do differently to be a better listener?
    3. To whom might you work at being a better listener this week?
    23 min
  • The Grass Is Greener Where We Water It, Episode 19

    The Grass is Greener Where We Water It

    With Valentine's Day approaching, it is only natural to reflect on the relationships in our lives, and not just romantic relationships, but on all of our life-nurturing connections. As marriage and family therapists, we talk with people regularly about repairing and strengthening their connections with others, and we know that few things impact the quality of our lives more than the health of our relationships.

    One of our favorite sayings about relationships is the quote above, "The grass is always greener where we water it." The wisdom of this saying is that we are wise not to focus on finding greener pastures somewhere else, but instead to nurture and grow the vitality of the relationships we already have. This wisdom applies to caring for all areas of our lives, including our spiritual lives, the work we do in the world, caring for our bodies, as well as our actual gardens! Because like a garden, all relationships require regular watering and attention.

    Here are three concrete ways we know water our connections with others. As you read these, you might find yourself thinking about a specific relationship that you would like to water right now.

    These three ideas are quite simple yet essential in maintaining healthy, long-term relationships. The simple act of doing these three things on a regular basis will have a profound positive effect on any and all of our relationships.

    The first is to show regular appreciation for and to the people we care about. No one has probably ever been wrong when they have said, "I sometimes take you and what you do for granted and don't tell you enough how much I appreciate you." Don't just take our word about the power of appreciation. Try it today with someone and notice the immediate effect it has.

    A second thing we can do to strengthen our connection with others is to be better listeners. On the weekly podcast that is a companion to this column, Holly tells a beautiful story of a time when her grandparents offered her a timely gift of listening when she was working as a student-teacher back in college. Even though this experience happened over forty years ago, you can tell when you listen to her talk about it just how important that gift of listening was for her, and how lovingly she still remembers it. Listening means that much to us.

    Our last suggestion for watering our relationship is to remember the importance of having fun together. Play is not a nice "extra" in a relationship, but is essential to keeping relationships energized. Recreation is another word for play. We like to think of the word as "re-creation." Every relationship we have created in our lives will benefit from intentional times of "re-creation" and reconnecting.

    As we said, each of these three ideas is so simple, even obvious. What is not so simple is remembering to make them a regular habit. Good for you if these are already regular habits in your close relationships. If not, there is no time like today to make a new start, remembering that the grass is always greener where we water it.

    Making It Personal Questions:

    1. Is there someone, in particular, to whom you want to express more appreciation right now? How will you do that?
    2. Is there someone to whom you want to more fully offer the gift of listening? When and how will you offer that gift?
    3. What kind of fun activity might you want to plan with a family member or friend in the next week or so that would create positive and re-creative energy?
    18 min
  • The Serenity to Accept the Things We Cannot Change (Part 6 of Our 6-Part Series on Growth and Change) Episode 18

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    In this episode, we complete our six-part series on understanding the process of growth and change by reflecting on a paraphrase of the opening words of the Serenity Prayer, written by Reinhold Niebuhr. "Seek the serenity to accept the things you cannot change, the courage to change the things you can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

    The first five columns in this series (and accompanying podcast episodes) have been focused more on "the courage to change the things you can." This final column focuses more on the first part of the prayer, "the serenity to accept the things you cannot change."

    One of the most influential spiritual teachers of our day passed away a few weeks ago. Thich Nhat Hanh wrote over thirty books about the practices of love, peace, and mindfulness. He is perhaps the person most responsible for introducing the benefits of mindfulness to the West, having first come and taught in the United States in the 1960s. He was a close friend of Martin Luther King and Thomas Merton. He taught and modeled the principles of love, peace, and serenity to all, never wanting to convert anyone to his Buddhist faith, but always wanting to help people live more fully the teachings of their own faith. For us, Thich Nhat Hahn's particular gift was his ability to fully acknowledge the pain and suffering that exists in the world and yet, at the same time, speak authentic words of how love, hope, and peace in the face of suffering. His writings articulate a deeply spiritual path to finding serenity in the face of things we cannot change. Yet it is important to add that, like Martin Luther King, he was a tireless advocate for changing the things that we can change, such as the societal conditions that add to injustice, conflict, and suffering.

    The pandemic has affected each of us differently. Some have experienced minimal loss and disruption, while others have experienced unfathomable stress and suffering. We all have had plenty of opportunities to practice finding serenity in the face of things we cannot change. An old joke says, "I asked God to give more patience and what I got was more opportunities to practice it!" Like this joke, we have all been given more than enough opportunities to practice and develop the spiritual practices of letting go and finding serenity amidst the many challenges we have faced over the last two years, particularly the ones we could not or cannot change.

    As we complete our six-part series, we want to remember that opportunities to change and grow come in many forms. Sometimes they come as things we can change, but require our courage and commitment. Other times they present as opportunities to find the serenity to accept the things we cannot change. And always it involves developing the wisdom to know the difference. We close with a quote from Thich Nhat Hanh and our usual "Making It Personal" questions.

    "Hope is important because it can make the present moment less difficult to bear. If we believe that tomorrow will be better, we can bear a hardship today," Peace Is Every Step: The Path of Mindfulness in Everyday Life.

    Making It Personal: What has helped you find peace when facing challenges that seem unchangeable in the past? What challenge or suffering are you experiencing right now that falls into the category of "things you cannot change"? What is helping you find serenity in the midst of that challenge? Is there something more you would like to do to enhance your capacity to accept things you cannot change right now?

    21 min
  • Comfort, Growth Zone, Panic Zone (#4 in Our 6-Part Series on Growth and Change), Episode 16

    (This is the fourth column in our six-part series on Understanding the Process of Growth and Change. If you missed one, you can find all of them HERE.)

    In early 2020 I, (Scott) distinctly remember saying to my work team that I could not ever see myself embracing the idea of working remotely. Being together at the office every day was my comfort zone. It was how I had worked for over thirty years, and therefore it was the only way I could imagine continuing to function. The thought of working remotely was way outside of my comfort zone at that time, and I saw no reason to change.

    Then the pandemic came, and there went my work comfort zone. No longer able to continue my old familiar patterns, I had no choice except to grow and change. With the help of our open-minded and flexible team, I am happy to say that I have come to enjoy working remotely and have embraced my new online world. I have also learned that some of the things we do, such as training others to use our materials, actually work better online.

    I love the statement, "Resisting change is like holding your breath; if you succeed, it usually doesn't end well." I like it because it describes how I initially responded to the work disruptions caused by COVID. I held my breath and said to myself, "This can't last very long. Surely I can hold my breath until we return to normal." Obviously, that plan didn't work out so well. I'm breathing easier these days and am grateful that my willingness to step out of my comfort zone regarding work gradually changed, and now I'm luckily breathing more easily while working from home. (In sharing this, I certainly realize how fortunate I am to have a job that could adapt to being online. And my heart goes out to those who have lost their jobs or had to work in extremely trying conditions because of COVID).

    In our Wellness Compass resources, we teach a model of change that includes three concentric circles. The inner circle is the Comfort Zone, the middle circle is the Growth Zone, and the outermost ring is the Panic Zone. This model reminds us that all growth is, by definition, uncomfortable because it is outside of our current Comfort Zone. It also shows us that sometimes we are thrown out of our Comfort Zone and land in the Panic Zone. That's where I was in terms of my work when the pandemic hit. With time, effort, and support, I eventually moved into the Growth Zone.

    Growth and change are uncomfortable. Sometimes they can even create feelings of panic. We hope this series on growth and change will help you breathe a little easier the next time you need to adapt to or make a significant change.

    Making It Personal:

    1. When life invites you to change, how do you typically react?

    2. Are you in a Panic Zone or Growth Zone right now in your life? Or do you know someone who is?

    3. If you answered yes to question two, either for yourself or someone you know, what support do you or they need in order to breathe more easily in the midst of the change?

    23 min
  • Stages of Change (#3 in Our 6-Part Series on Growth and Change) Episode 15

    Stages of Change

    Have you ever been unsuccessful in an attempt to create some kind of change in your life? Have you ever been frustrated in your attempt to lead a group of people through a process of change? If you are like us, you can think of many times when your answer to these questions would be, "Of course!"

    If you, too, have been disappointed in your ability to create or lead change, you may be interested in learning that a theory of change known as the "Stages of Change Model" could explain why it was such a challenge. This helpful model is based on the foundational truth that change doesn't just happen because we want it to; it happens instead when we remember that it is a process and not simply an event.

    We typically think of change as an action, such as "Last year I changed my diet," "I retired recently," or "I moved to a new city." While change does include doing something different, the wisdom of the Stages of Change Model is that before there is action, there are preliminary steps everyone takes before they actually take the action we think of as change.

    Here, in summary, are descriptions of the five stages of change we all go through regularly, regarding both big and small things. At the end of each description, we provide an example of that stage as it applies to a hypothetical person wanting to begin a walking program. While reading, think about some change you have either recently made, or are in the midst of making right now.

    Pre-contemplation. This means that the person has not, or is not even considering making a change. They may have not yet considered the prospect, seen a need for change, or may even have decided against the idea altogether. At this stage, they are not likely to respond positively to suggestions to change.

    Example: "I've never been a person who has exercised, and I have no desire to start now."

    Contemplation. This is where a person first senses that there is something they want to change and that they would benefit from doing things differently. At this stage, a person has some initial awareness or hears some whisper for a need or desire to change or grow.

    Example: "I've never exercised, but as I get older, I'm starting to think I could benefit from being more active. I might even want to walk a 5K someday."

    Preparation. Here the focus begins to change from the need or problem the person wants to address to considering possible solutions. People at this stage begin to gather information about what could help support their desire to live differently, and will start seeking the resources they will need to help support their efforts.

    Example: "I'm going to talk to my friend who walks in 5K fundraisers, and find out when the next one is, and how best to prepare for it, and then buy some walking shoes."

    Action. Here people have begun to take concrete steps to make the change a reality. The actions taken are focused and support the changes they envision for themselves. (This is what most people think of as change, not realizing that real change is actually a long, thoughtful process.)

    Example: "I bought some walking shoes over the weekend, and this week I walked before work three different mornings.."

    Maintenance. Having maintained the desired change and growth for an extended period of time (somewhere in the range of three to six months), there is good evidence that the change will be a lasting one. The new way of doing things has become a new habit, something that doesn't require a great deal of conscious thought and energy.

    Example: "I can't believe how much more energy I have now that I walk so often, and I'm so proud of myself since I have completed my first two 5K walks."

    Many of us made New Years Resolutions a few weeks ago, and some of us have even given up on them already. A primary reason that change plans, like resolutions, fail is that we move too quickly to Action. In order for our plans to be successful, we have to honor the fact that before we attempt a change, we need to allow enough time to think through all its aspects and ramifications, and prepare for it adequately. Taking time for the Contemplation and Preparation stages allows for a greater chance of success. In fact, a significant change might require six months, a year, or longer to work thoughtfully through the first two stages, before we are ready to take Action.

    As life is full of constant decisions and possibilities for change, it is helpful to understand all that is involved in making a significant change, and give ourselves the time to acknowledge and honor the entire process we are always going through. We hope this brief introduction to the Stages of Change Theory is helpful as you think about the changes you are in the midst of, or are considering making in the future.

    Please listen to this week's episode of our Wellness Compass podcast for a more in-depth discussion of The Stages of Change, and how it can help you be kind to yourself during the inevitable changes in your life. You can find it HERE or by following the links below.

    Making It Personal:

    1. What do you think of the idea that change is a process, not an event?
    2. Have you ever moved too quickly to the Action stage of change without giving adequate time to Contemplation and Preparation? What happened?
    3. How does the Stages of Change Theory help you understand a change that you are in the process of considering right now?
    24 min
  • Find Your Why and You'll Find Your Way (#2 in Our 6-Part Series on Growth & Change) Episode 14

    Find Your Why and You'll Find Your Way

    This column is part two of a six-part series on growth and change. While the timing of these columns is related to the beginning of a new year—a time when many people take stock and seek to make a change—what we are writing about here is timeless and applies to any kind of change, whether personal, relational, or organizational.

    Most attempts to make a change will fail if they are not connected to a clear "why," or reason for making the change. On our Wellness Compass podcast episode this week, Holly shared a personal story of a change she started making about a year ago. She came to the awareness that our grandchildren are getting older and much more active, and she needed to make some changes to keep up with their abundant energy. She changed her eating habits and started a disciplined routine of working out that now has her feeling much more strength and stamina. As she says on the podcast, "I didn't want to watch my grandkids be active from sitting in my rocking chair." She is more able than ever now to be physically active with them.

    On the podcast, she talks about how there are certainly days when she doesn't feel like working out or eating well, but then she remembers her "why"—the reason she is making the change, and when she does that, her resolve stays strong.

    Author Simon Sinek writes a great deal about change. He says that most people only focus on the "what" and "how" of a change they want to make, and forget the most essential part—connecting with their "why." For example, a person might decide they want to spend less time on their screens. That is their "what." They may have a "how," a plan about how they will do this. But unless they articulate the deeper "why," their attempt to limit their screen time will likely be short-lived. If, however, they can identify that they want to spend less time on screen so that they can spend more quality time connecting with others, or pursuing other meaningful activities, or getting more sleep, then there is a greater chance they will be able to make a lasting change in their relationship with screens.

    All great leaders inspire with a clear "why." Desmond Tutu, who recently passed away, received the Nobel Peace Prize for his tireless work to end apartheid in South Africa. His "why" that kept him going even when facing seemingly insurmountable barriers was deeply grounded in his faith, which taught him that all people are created equal, and that the freedom and dignity of every individual must be affirmed and honored. "What" he did, and "how" he did it may have evolved and adapted to changing circumstances, but his "why' never wavered, and it was what sustained him his entire life. Such is the power of knowing and connecting with our deeper "why."

    We all see numerous Christmas trees lying by the street this time of year, waiting to get picked up and recycled. These trees are dry and withered at this point because they were cut off from the root system that nourished them a few months ago. Our desires to change and grow will have the same fate if they are not rooted in a clear and compelling "why."

    Making It Personal

    1. What do you think about the quote "Find your why and you'll find your way?"
    2. Can you think of a change you made in your life in the past that was fueled by a clear "why"?
    3. Is there a change you are making now or want to make that would be strengthened by connecting it more clearly to a "why?"
    26 min
  • Listening for A Change (#1 In Our 6-Part Series on Growth & Change) Episode 13

    Listening for a Change

    Whether or not we make New Year's resolutions, many of us do take stock of our lives this time of year, pausing to reflect on whether there are any changes we want to make. Apart from it being the start of a new year, the pandemic has disrupted all of our lives, sometimes forcing change upon us and other times clarifying for us a change we want or need to make.

    One concept that we have found to be helpful when it comes to change, both for ourselves and the clients we work with, is the idea of "listening to the whispers." It is based on the idea that all meaningful change begins with listening and that a desire or need for change often first makes itself known to us as a whisper, a quiet feeling that something is just not as we wish it to be. The whisper could be something like:

    "I am feeling the need to strengthen/repair my relationship with _______. I'm not sure how to do that, and frankly, I'm afraid to take the first step, but I know it's time."

    "I used to do more ________, and I am missing that. I'm going to find a way to get back to it in the next few months."

    "I think the amount of stress in my life is starting to take a toll on me, and I want to do something about it."

    "I seem to be drinking more than before, and it's impacting my relationships with others. I want to turn that around before it gets worse."

    "I'm not sure I want to stay in this job much longer. I am going to begin taking steps to find a new one."

    "I know I'm being called to get more involved in issues facing my community. I'm going to talk to people I know who are doing the kind of things I want to be doing."

    "There are issues in our family that can no longer be ignored. I know we could be a stronger family if we were to start having more honest conversations."

    "I hear my friends talk about how important meditation is to them and what a positive effect it has on them. I'm going to look into that."

    That inner voice, that whisper that something needs to change, is easy to ignore. After all, it's only a whisper. When a whisper is ignored, though, it seldom goes away. The usual progression is that the whisper gets louder, and then gradually our inner voice begins to shout at us. What happens then if even the shout does not get our attention? Something will eventually happen, some negative consequence, sometimes even a crisis, something so obvious that we can no longer ignore what is going on.

    When it comes to our personal and relational wellness, it is essential that we learn to listen to the hints in our lives that tell us when something is out of balance. Healthy individuals, couples, families, leaders, and organizations do this on a regular and proactive basis. They regularly take an honest look in the mirror. And because they know that even then, they can still fool themselves, they regularly seek out honest feedback from others they trust. They build open feedback loops into their lives so that they can adapt and respond to any warning signs that emerge. But it all starts with being willing to let our lives speak to us, and being willing to listen to the messages that announce that something needs to be different.

    Our lives are always speaking to us. The question is, "Are we listening?"

    Here are a few "Making It Personal" questions meant to help promote listening more closely to what our lives are saying to us now.

    Making It Personal

    1. What are your thoughts about the idea that all meaningful change begins with listening?
    2. Can you think of a time in your life when you listened to a whisper in your life, and it resulted in making a positive change?
    3. Listening to your life right now, what is one positive change you want to make as we start the new year?

    Happy New Year from the Wellness Compass Initiative.

    *Many people find our Wellness Compass Self-Assessment tool to be helpful for "Listening to the Whispers." You can find it here on our website at the top of the navigation bar. Click there and you can download a PDF of the self-assessment.

    21 min

About The Wellness Compass Podcast

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Each episode explores an aspect of personal and/or family wellness from a whole-person perspective with your hosts Scott Stoner, LMFT & Holly Hughes Stoner, LMFT. Scott and Holly each have four decades of experience helping individuals, couples, and families. Scott and Holly are the co-creators of the Wellness Compass Model for Well-Being and the non-profit Wellness Compass Initiative.

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