In this crossover episode with CSIS's The CommonHealth podcast, Andrew talks with Michaela Simoneau and co-host J. Stephen Morrison on their newly published analysis of the post-Covid moment, “The Worst is Over—Now What?”

How do we define this moment we have entered, and what are the factors that lead inexorably toward pessimism? Inversely, what is the argument for a positive, sober realism? Optimism rests on pursuing five pathways for progress: rebuild trust, sustain bipartisan legislative achievements, operationalize new security doctrines, accelerate new technologies, and elevate U.S. health diplomacy.